Chelsy flies high while Kate languishes
Chelsy Davy, Prince Harry’s girlfriend, is currently on a two-week work experience placement at swish law firm Farrer and Co., Lincoln’s Inn Fields in London.
Farrer just happens to be the Queen’s solicitors. They represented her during the recent Queengate row with the BBC. Since the firm only ever takes students from Oxbridge, the work indicates how well regarded Chelsy is with the Royal Family.
Someone close to the scene commented, “These City law firms only ever interview Oxbridge graduates and, normally speaking, someone from Leeds [University] would not get a look-in. This isn’t because the firms look down on other universities, it’s simply because they consider that Oxbridge fulfils all their needs, so why bother to broaden the net?”
Of course, a word in their ear by a figure close to their most prestigious client would not go unheard.
Contrast this with the fate of Kate Middleton, once the leading light of the two Royal girlfriends.
With Kate’s beau, Prince William, signed up to a potential seven years away as a search and rescue helicopter pilot, Kate has disappeared from view. Her job in the small, family party business now seems almost insignificant in comparison with Chelsy’s high-flying London legal outing.
Last week, Kate’s mother, Carole Middleton, spoke to the Daily Telegraph and complained at how her family, its business and her “two other children” were being compromised by the publicity and press intrusions.
Could it be that, in the light of William’s SAR decision, Kate has decided that the relationship is going nowhere, and has quietly called it off for the sake of her family?
It would be a sensible decision for a woman not far short of 30, and the lack of fanfare and open grievance, a relief for the Prince.
Earlier Kate was reported to be going to Sandringham on Boxing Day. It will be interesting to see if that date is kept.
I’m glad for Chelsy. If she can pull her own weight and do what the other interns do than all the best to her.
On William and Kate, I refuse to believe there is a break-up until I see it in their own words. The fact that Kate is laying low may just indicate that they want her to have somewhat of a normal existence without the hazards of the press until they decide when and where.
Call me Pollyanna…
By BostonRoyalWatcher on December 10th, 2008 at 3:17 pm
Although I am certain that Chelsy is a sweet and smart young woman, her smoking is a terrible habit that I would not want in a future daughter-in-law. It is too bad that Kate Middleton put her career on hold for William…she should have persued her career goals after college. William sure is!
By Myra on December 10th, 2008 at 4:06 pm
If Kate has indeed broken things off with William, one can hardly blame her. But I’m not sure that’s what happened- and here’s why. I think that if that were the case, she would be free at this point to pursue her own interests with respect to a career- which I believe are more varied than simply working for her parents. I know that there are many people who disagree with me, but I don’t necessarily see her as “work shy” and I think that if her entanglement with the royal family was indeed over you’d see the insular curtain that has been dropped recently relax a bit. I think it’s more likely that she is laying low because her recent foray into charity work wound up causing negative publicity, and with the current state of the economy she doesn’t want to be seen at expensive night clubs until all hours.
Just my two cents, usd. Not worth much, really.
By greycella on December 10th, 2008 at 8:43 pm
I tend to agree with you, Greycella. If Kate were no longer with William, why would you not, for the sake of repairing your own image, at least let yourself be SEEN SOMEPLACE! Not stumbling out of a club or anything, but just out & about…letting the world know “I’m my own person now.”
Yes, some will say that she might not care about what the press/public thinks, but she is human, and I would think if she were a single woman, she’d at least do something so people would stop making sport of her!
By Claire on December 10th, 2008 at 9:26 pm
A plausible plotline, Greycella.
By John on December 10th, 2008 at 9:36 pm
She may be privately devastated, Claire.
By John on December 10th, 2008 at 9:38 pm
Right, precisely. I know that there is some concern that a very public split would leave William looking bad, which is bad for the monarchy. But even so, she’s sacrificed quite a bit in being by his side- one would think the right thing to do would be to make it public enough that she could reclaim some of her independence and normalcy.
I’m the same age as William, and I’m in what some people would see as an uncoventional relationship- as I’ve been living with my partner for several years now and marriage isn’t necessarily on the cards in the coming years. We’ve gotten a few raised eyebrows, but on the whole people respect the fact that we are doing things the way we are doing them. I don’t doubt for a minute the commitment and bond that I have with Gavin, but at the same time we are of a generation where fifty percent of us experienced our parent’s divorce. I’m very fortunate that I had a shining example of a happy marriage, but I don’t have any illusions about the work and effort it’s entailed for my parents. They may just be doing things in a way that works for them, and so long both are comfortable with it- it’s really none of our beeswax!
That said, his commitment to the RAF certainly has me wondering how their relationship can possibly continue to hold shape in it’s current arrangement. I guess we’ll just have to wait and see!
By greycella on December 10th, 2008 at 9:40 pm
True, John. She might be devastated. I guess I’m putting myself in her situation and thinking about what I would do.
I just remember when they last broke up, she made sure to be seen out-and-about, looking fabulous.
One wonders if Boxing Day will bring any answers. I fear it will bring only more questions!
By Claire on December 10th, 2008 at 10:08 pm
I think it very possible that Kate’s state of devastation is the cause of the no show, especially so if this was a huge surprise for her. Emotionally and psychologically Kate would not have been ready for a break-up. And look at how long she has been with PW. It will take a very long time to recover and it would be extremely difficult to pretend that she is OK and ready to rock n roll as it were. So I don’t think that the bad publicity she received for her last outing would be the issue here but rather her lack of strength to ‘put on a show’ just now.
It is also possible that PW is also finding it hard to break the ‘habit’ of being with Kate. I am sure that after so long a relationship it will be difficult for either of them to move on quickly, so that too needs to be sorted out before either of them makes anything resembling an announcement of a break-up.
If the break up is indeed a reality they are both in need of plenty of TLC and support. Kate especially needs clear direction in getting her life together and a future secured, independent of the royal family. As John pointed out, she is nearly 30.
And John, I agree that the behaviour of Kate’s brother and on occasion her sister, have not helped their chances of being taken seriously. Had they not had a sister dating a royal prince these incidents would not be of consequence of course, but reality is that Kate was/is (?) dating a prince. The problem is that her family would have no experience at handling the matter. I am sure they have reaped many benefits as well as disadvantages. I think it is all about how it is managed but then I ask myself, who could possibly manage it well enough anyway?…Chelsy is doing well but she too has had challenges with her brother and father. Chelsy’s success (in my opinion) is that she maintains an independent life, and has a steady determined character.
OK, I confess that I find Chelsy’s wild and “I don’t give a damn” attitude exciting (provided her behaviour is not obnoxious), especially so the fact that she does not play up to the photographers . I do wish she would give up smoking though.
By Cristina on December 10th, 2008 at 10:54 pm
Yes Claire, I bet questions is exactly what Boxing day will produce! (I wish I could insert a smiling face here, but I have no idea as to how I can do it).
By Cristina on December 10th, 2008 at 11:08 pm
Chelsy Davy is a great girl! I like her (=the impression I’ve got), although she is very different than Kate M. But she seems somehow very fresh and down on earth. Plus I like the fact that she is not trying desperately to be like “a princess” should..
She’s a normal girl in her 20s. Maybe people let her be just that, because after all her boyfriend is not the heir of the throne..?
I feel bad for Kate M. She was/is almost picture-perfect in so many ways. But no doubt Prince William will find another suitable woman – MANY women! – before long. And someday he will marry Lady Trustfund-Superrich-Aristocrat.
Ahh but I do hope that Prince Harry and Chelsy will stay together!
It is a great romance, and I kind of like the fact that she is NOT from England but from South Africa. She may be a millionaire’s daughter but she is so, ah – normal? in every way!
By Peg on December 11th, 2008 at 12:44 am
I just worry Chelsy will become this generation’s Sarah Ferguson!
By Claire on December 11th, 2008 at 12:59 am
No, I don’t want to believe that Claire, Chelsy appears to be far more ’switched on’ and less naive.
Harry seems to be doing lots of good works of late, now that is good news for the royals. I have great hopes for this couple.
By Cristina on December 11th, 2008 at 1:10 am
Yes, I hope you’re right Cristina. I like Chelsy too. And I almost have more hope for this couple, since Harry is NOT in the #1 spot. I do not envy William’s position.
And, if Harry & Chelsy wait another 6-7 years to get married, I doubt it will cause a fraction of the stir William & Kate have caused.
By Claire on December 11th, 2008 at 2:27 am
Agreed. Do you think that we would have such high expectations of a wedding had Kate had an independent life with career and all? In other words had Kate been less available to William and not have put her life on hold?
I also wonder if that could be part of the issue with the relationship. Perhaps PW was happy with the comfort her availability provided but it poses the possibility of it not being enough of a ‘challenge’ for him? You know, the chase. That which many man in my acquaintance seem to enjoy.
All speculation and musings by yours truly of course.
By Cristina on December 11th, 2008 at 3:06 am
I agree with Greymare, if Kate and Prince William had cooled things off she would be back in London like the last break up. I think she is laying low because her charity work didn’t turn out like it was expected or for the work at party pieces. A lot of people criticized her picture being up on the website. I think Prince William has asked for to lay low, this time last year she was not seen either. I think they will get married in a few years, they have made it this far, Kate will revent her self as a career woman. I do worry that will the media gets to intense it seems like Prince William pulls back, I wonder how they can pull back when they are married they will be expected to perform royal duties on a regular basis or they will really be accused of being work shy. I think this is one of the reason Prince William has waited to marry. They relationship worked well because there was no outside pressure at St. Andrews, no with the press they seem to have wobbles and Kate seems to be the one giving in. Yet, if it works for them best wishes. Everybody deserves to be happy.
By Suzanna on December 11th, 2008 at 7:58 am
Hmmm. I think Kate’s DayGlo outing was more in the early Sarah Ferguson mode, Claire.
The point is, there are those in the Palace, including the Queen and the Duke, who are quietly vetting those who would marry into the Royal Family, especially William and Harry’s choice of girlfriends.
They know that Kate’s DayGlo pictures will be produced at all the big occasions if she marries William. Whatever she has done in the past, that one photo will define her in the public mind, and the British can be very sniffy about their Royals going over the top. She crossed a psychological line when she allowed that to happen.
The recent flurry of leaks about what the relationship is doing to her own family may just be cover for the real reason the relationship is being quietly shelved. And William’s SAR role may be cover too to prevent him seeming a cad.
If an engagement were still on the cards and pencilled in somewhere, Carole Middleton wouldn’t have made such trenchant comments, would she? And Kate would be breezing about looking her usual svelte and glamorous self.
By John on December 11th, 2008 at 11:07 am
Interesting to see the view of Chelsy between here and over there. To me Chelsy should act just a bit more refined than she has been. This open attitude is fine now but IF she married PH than I don’t think the establishment would find her a ‘breath of fresh air’.
By BostonRoyalWatcher on December 11th, 2008 at 2:23 pm
I agree completely that the DayGlo pictures aren’t flattering for sure but some of the Chelsy ‘wild time’ pictures I have seen here and there on the web are every bit as potentially embarrassing if we are talking about the highest level of scrutiny. As I have viewed some CD pictures I have thought WHOA, is this the budding royalty image we like to see.
Its difficult for me to see any even sublime difference between the less then perfect imaging reflected in public photos of the two women. However I have seen with my own two eyes more unflattering party girl silly ones of CD than of KM.
Having said that I agree that KM SEEMS ( but since I don’t know her how can I really say ) to have just been waiting around for the boyfriend phone call while Chelsy has gotton on with life in a very admirable independent way.
By Claudia on December 11th, 2008 at 3:00 pm
I wonder why the media has been quiet since Kate has disappeared from public eye. Although she has been keeping low key she may have places to go and photos of hers wold have been taken. The media managed to take a photo of driving Kate with cell phone near her parents’ house, and if she and William are over chasing Kate is a lot easier but no photos. Is she really staying at her parents’ or locked in a tower on an isolated Scottish sea side?
By Mikado-watcher on December 11th, 2008 at 3:30 pm
It also seems to me (although I admit not actually know these people either) that Harry is a more…passionate person than his brother, and I can’t see him making Chelsy wait forever & a day before taking the marriage step. (I don’t see it happening soon for them, but I doubt people will be left wondering “when” for as long as William is.)
I do agree, it may simply come down to the fact that Kate just “played it wrong” with William & was too available.
But…who really knows?
By Claire on December 11th, 2008 at 3:30 pm
Chelsy is not yet independent, her parents pay for everything.
By Me on December 11th, 2008 at 3:35 pm
Looks like Chelsy may have a good job lined up at the Inns of Court next year. As a top barrister she could be very well off in her own right.
By John on December 11th, 2008 at 4:13 pm
exactly me! Chelsy is far more spoilt… pay the fees get your b’s class. she parties more than Kate and has been seen in far more compromising positions. I believe it has more to do with the fact that like Holly Branson, Chelsy has enough family money and longevity in those circles for a few ‘blind eyes’ as it were. Kate got high off the initial media spotlight not thinking that they can be so fickle. When she started to make mistakes and seemed to be hanging on, nobody was there to back her. Chelsy has a care free spirit because she has it made no matter what! I think Kate is also fun loving but tried to be more reserved thinking that would hold William. It seems to have done the opposite all round
By London4704 on December 11th, 2008 at 4:14 pm
It’s being reported that Harry has passed his flight tests and will train to be a military pilot for the Army Air Corps. He’ll now be following a 2 1/2 year training course of his own.
Good thing Chelsy has a career ahead of her, since a Royal marriage isn’t in the cards for her either.
By Dan on December 11th, 2008 at 4:34 pm
If there is a marriage in the cards for Harry and Chelsy Dan nothing will stop Harry from marrying her. I think Chelsy is serious about a legal career and will want to work for a while.
I find it curious that Kate has dropped off the radar along with William. I wonder if she has quietly moved somewhere near where he is training. If a break up were there the media would be all over the Middleton home waiting for Kate. As for that picture of her falling while on skates she looked more dignified than the born royals did during Edwards 80’s work It’s a royal knockout.
By Trudie on December 11th, 2008 at 4:46 pm
As I’ve said more than a few times, I don’t believe one or even a dozen unfortunate photographs will disqualify anyone from marrying into the Royal Family if the person is otherwise perfectly suitable. The Family fully appreciate the perils of rejecting a true love-match in favor of someone died-in-the-wool and media-ready, as they perceived Diana to be. Whoever William wants, William will have.
Similarly, nothing will stop Harry marrying his girl, but I don’t see Chelsy being an army base wife. It looks like all weddings are off, except perhaps Zara’s. And her boy has just posed in his underpants.
Anything for charity!
By Dan on December 11th, 2008 at 5:29 pm
This is a bit off-topic, I know.. Just wondering: if Chelsy is going to create a serious, succesful legal career (and this may well be the case!), then what would she do if her prince pops the question? Is it going to be enough to be Duchess This Or That, playing the part of this minor royal lady, and abandoning her own ambitions? Since I don’t think it is going to be very easy being Duchess X AND a solicitor at the same time.
By Peg on December 11th, 2008 at 9:32 pm
Dan, the two Princes seem totally absorbed in their military careers for some years ahead. I don’t believe they are even thinking of marriage yet. They may even be a bit fearful of it.
By John on December 11th, 2008 at 9:36 pm
Depending on the kind of law she practices, I don’t imagine being Harry’s wife would be irreconcilable with Chelsy’s legal career. She probably couldn’t be a trial attorney (chasing ambulances and celebrity divorces) but there are lots of legal professions that are conducted under the radar and don’t present daily ethical conflicts. Once William has children and Harry and his wife are further removed from the throne, they will probably be expected to work real jobs. Prince Andrew gets little public respect for the public role he is serving, and his lot will be Harry’s in due course.
I expect the young generation of Royals is not going to be so content cutting ribbons all day anyway. Many of them may venture into the working world, although they will have to be wise about how they do it—i.e., learning from Edward and Sophie’s experience.
By Dan on December 11th, 2008 at 9:58 pm
This total lack of photos of KM is indeed interesting. Unless she ‘travels’ in the cover of night or is indeed “locked up somewhere” we should be seeing images of her. I imagine she would be of top earning interest to the paparazzi at the moment due to all the speculation and lack of sightings.
There is no way I can believe that the paparazzi are not interested in photographing her (money, money, money) or that the media too are not interested in covering her (more money, money, money). I also don’t believe that keeping a low profile (perhaps requested by the RF) would disable the paparazzi from photographing her at all. Most people will still be caught going to a shop or the like. KM has not been seen out at all since the car incident. This must mean something, surely! Not to be seen out for this length of time would, in my mind, require serious effort. If all is well with their relationship why hide COMPLETELY? If there was hope for their relationship, again, why hide completely? As pointed out earlier, at the last break-up KM has previously displayed the fighting spirit and came out all glam and was even seen with an X. Consider however that there did not seem to be any firm plans of a wedding at that stage. This time around (as indicated by John) there were. If she was expecting to be married (soon), I must conclude (really suspect) that she is shocked, winded, and having lost hope does not wish to put her family through further difficulties…and good on her, if that is so.
Add to all that the fact that her mother has, after 5 or 6 years, opened her mouth to the media and not speak favourably of the situation. No, in my opinion, and admitedly limited observation, something is not right here, at best they are still together but things are not going well.
On a more positive note, PH has had very positive news coverage here in the commercial television stations for his lovely work with the brave children. He must be a favorite with the Aussie media to get that attention. It could be because he spent some time here and is very spirited. Even the Queen does not get as much coverage as Harry has just had! Well done Harry.
By Cristina on December 11th, 2008 at 10:25 pm
Perfectly logical plan Dan.
By Cristina on December 11th, 2008 at 10:35 pm
John: Right ON, I agree with you, Carole Middleton, why would she come out now and make a statement like that????????
By Judy on December 11th, 2008 at 11:33 pm
I agree I think something has happened and I dont see it as being an engagement. I doubt Carole would come out and say such a thing if there was an engagement on the cards. I think the RF are handling this if the relationship has ended in a quiet manner with no headlines etc.
I also doubt Kate would go out there if there has been a break up like she did last time, given the media backlash against her.
By Belinda on December 12th, 2008 at 12:09 am
This may be “out there,” but could KM be pregnant and in hiding?
By Jennifer on December 12th, 2008 at 12:57 am
As for Kate, she gets far greater media backlash when she ventures out. If she is still in the running to join the Family, she keeps her nose to the grindstone and out of the spotlight, especially in these tough economic times. Call me contrarian, but her total absence from public display tells me she’s very much still in, not out.
As they did at Highgrove for Charles’s birthday (remember she was there, and spent the night before), perhaps William and Kate are staying out of the glare together.
Chelsea’s public display of pre-lawyering in London is not so different from Kate’s picture appearing on the Party Pieces website—As if to say, these are two serious working women, not a couple of party Princesses.
None of them—William, Kate, Harry, or Chelsy—are eager for marriage; the Royal Family has no urgent need for yet another Princess on the ribbon-cutting scene (from Alexandra on down, how many active Princesses and Duchesses have we available now?); and now is not the time for an extravagant Royal wedding.
I say William and Kate are tight as ever, they will be future King and Queen, and nothing has changed but the strategy and the timeline. You can poke me with it when they prove me wrong!
By Dan on December 12th, 2008 at 2:25 am
Yes, the ’sleep over’ does throw me (as I have previously mentioned)…but how do you explain the mother’s behaviour of late?
And no poking necessary.
By Cristina on December 12th, 2008 at 2:38 am
I don’t think Carol Middleton spoke out because William and Kate ’s romance is over. It is contrary that she spoke out because her daughter is well protected(hiding) and the Middleton family is secured by the RF. Mrs. Middleton knows too much about the cruelty of the media, and I don’t think she would throw herself into the fire without protection. I think Mrs. Middleton spoke with the permission (or advice) of CH. And the protection is working so far because the media is quiet about her comment and no one is chasing Kate. I don’t think the RF would give this kind of support to some one who is no longer associated with them.
By Mikado-watcher on December 12th, 2008 at 9:38 am
Dan, with Chelsy’s business degree background I imagine her plan is to be a corporate lawyer of some kind.
I can’t imagine her sitting in a small office chasing up conveyancing cases as a solicitor. On the board as Company Secretary is more her style, I would think.
By John on December 12th, 2008 at 2:30 pm
I will be very surprised, in the eventuality that Prince Harry weds Chelsy Davy, that Chelsy is permitted to maintain a career in law. It did not work for the Countess of Wessex, and she and Prince Edward are the favorites of the Queen. Senior Royals are expected to take up the duties of support for the Crown and if Chelsy marries Prince Harry, she will be a Senior Royal. When Prince William comes to the throne, Prince Harry and his wife will be the chief supporters of the King and their lives must be dedicated to the service of his reign.
Regarding Kate Middleton and Prince William, I agree with Dan and with Mikado-watcher. Further, if Kate and Prince William had truly ended their relationship, it would be impossible to keep that fact from the intrusive media and there would be blood in the water as the media sharks attack. I believe that this “gone quiet” stage of their relationship was engineered by Clarence House, to give Charles and Camilla undisputed center stage. It has been effective thus far, as most of what I see in the online versions of reputable British publications is, indeed, about Charles and Camilla. For instance, HELLO Magazine has an article, with photos, of Charles and Camilla at a gala event, with Camilla swathed in yards and yards of awkwardly draped cerelean blue silk taffeta. She gets style points from me for having shoes which match the gown, but the neckline simply doesn’t work for a woman her age and the gown is too voluminous. The color is fine with her coloring, but the Vivienne Westwood’s design is wrong for Camilla. I never saw so much fabric in my life for one evening gown and it seems to be bunched up in quite unlikely places. At any rate, with Kate and Prince William neutralized, Charles and Camilla are basking in the glaring spotlight of media attention, the place Charles insists upon reserving for himself. Let us see how long this lasts. Media hype and adulation are always a double-edged sword, a fact Charles appears to conveniently forget with astonishing regularity.
By Gigi on December 12th, 2008 at 3:19 pm
As per the Day & Night column in the Daily Express. Kate was seen out watching the England National Ballet’s “Sleeping Beauty” at the Coliseum in Covent Garden. So she is going out, just not tipping off the press? the article can been found online with above referenced column search
By london4704 on December 12th, 2008 at 4:01 pm
I think Edward and Sophie had problems because their chosen businesses relied on patronage and entertainment-world connections (his) and soliciting clientele (hers), two situations in which they could be accused of trading on their Royal status. A backstage legal career for Chelsy could avoid these conflicts (I acknowledge that she could not be an active solicitor, with emphasis on the word solicit.) I also acknowledge that Alexandra’s husband, Angus Ogilvy, also ran into trouble when he tried to maintain a career in business. It isn’t easy, but the public may demand “honest work” from the Family if the Monarchy is to survive the next generation. We may contend that a life “in service to his reign” is honorable enough, but not all of the Kingdom agrees.
True, Harry and his bride will be William’s first line of support in the early going, but as William and his own Princess settle into their roles, the limelight, and begin having Princes and Princesses of their own, Harry’s Royal role will diminish and the public will begin fomenting as they have with “Air Miles Andy:” What exactly are we paying him for?
We can only imagine the vitriol to be directed at Harry’s bride if she follows even slightly in Fergie’s early footsteps. If Sarah Ferguson has won any amount of public respect, it has happened only since she began making her own money.
By Dan on December 12th, 2008 at 4:07 pm
The Monarchy certainly will “survive the next generation”. As the economic situation worsens, politicians look useless, and the Royal Family comes into its own as the nation’s centrepiece.
Adversity always strengthens the Monarchy. That’s why Downing Street is watching the Palace’s tactics with interest.
By John on December 12th, 2008 at 4:18 pm
I see the Queen has been to Crowthorne, Berkshire, a mere 25 miles from Bucklebury. Do you suppose she stopped in for tea with Carole afterward?
John, what do you make of the fact that Carole’s “public statement” seems to be the result of Mandrake sidling up to her at a cup race, rather than a formal interview? Might it mean that she was merely being open with him in casual conversation, perhaps even indiscreet, rather than being strategic in her comments? She is inexperienced in media contact and may not have been signaling anything beyond parental concern.
By Dan on December 12th, 2008 at 4:19 pm
Dan, she will have known who he was, otherwise why talk personal with him? Richard Eden would also have asked her permission to quote.
By John on December 12th, 2008 at 4:27 pm
did anyone see my comment on Kates appearance at the ballet?
By london4704 on December 12th, 2008 at 4:39 pm
I did, London, but the Express and the Star are not very reliable papers. They were fined recently in court for making stories up.
I tend to discount them until a more reputable source reports on the event.
By John on December 12th, 2008 at 4:41 pm
I don’t doubt that Carole would have known who he was, but think her comments may have been off the cuff rather than intended to guide the media in a strategic way.
In such cases, is permission to quote required? I thought anything spoken in public was fair game unless the speaker specifically requests that his/her comments be kept “off the record.” God knows, in our celebrity-mad “gotcha” culture, it’s a wonder anyone says anything to anyone anymore.
Don’t quote me on that.
I don’t see the Express blurb, but I’ll take your word for it. No doubt Kate does leave the house, and the media’s lack of interest goes unexplained.
By Dan on December 12th, 2008 at 4:52 pm
I suppose it was a glimmer of hope (all be it from dubious origins!) I thought we might see a pic just to let us know she is ok : ) this waiting game is cruel and unusual!
By london4704 on December 12th, 2008 at 5:06 pm
Boxing Day approaches…
Then again, her presence at Highgrove for Charles’s big bash didn’t tip any hats in her favor, so the holiday at Sandringham may not either. There’s still this looong SAR deployment looming ahead.
Is it true that Harry’s training is TWO-and-half years, as reported, compared to William’s 18 months? (I realize the active duty period is separate and, as proposed, years longer.)
By Dan on December 12th, 2008 at 5:16 pm
Well, Dan, William already has his Wings. Also Harry will need to learn a lot more about flying in a war zone and engaging the enemy, etcetera.
In terms of the Highgrove party, Kate was invited by Charles and Camilla, who like her. She probably thought it would be rude to pull out. In any case, I think Kate and William are still friends, so why not?
Boxing Day will be another thing altogether. She will be a guest of the Queen and presumably go to church with her. That would be a definite step forward.
But it would also negate the long period of purdah she has been through — I don’t buy the “Charles needs the spotlight” theory. He’s had a lifetime of it and will not begrudge his son a little publicity, especially as William doesn’t really feel comfortable with it.
By John on December 12th, 2008 at 5:25 pm
This story can go either way…on or off, but the question still remains:
If there was a wedding planned (and by many accounts, including John’s, there was) and it was cancelled, does anyone think that Kate and her family would find this acceptable?
I would expect that too many people would loose respect for Kate if she agreed to wait even longer after having had to endure a break-up and then the expectation/promise of marriage (to take place soon). The Middletons would be well aware of this and, I am sure, would foresee the attacks by public and media.
If they are still together after it all, I can well understand Carole’s frustration and her comments to that reporter.
Please tell me that there was no wedding promised or planned and I will not be with John questioning any one’s sanity should Kate be included at the Boxing day celebrations with the RF.
By Cristina on December 12th, 2008 at 10:05 pm
Cristina, I never question anyone’s sanity for being wrong. If that were the case, I’d be the first in the loony bin.
By John on December 13th, 2008 at 12:08 pm
My dear John, it is gracious of you to attempt to cover my numerous errors by laying claim to the title of ‘most wrong most often,’ but I fear we all know that I, and I alone, must claim that title, alas for myself. Added to the distressingly high number of times I have erred are my continuously proliferating typos. As a result, I fear the looney bin looms ominously in my not-far-distant future, glowering at me like a reproachful ghost.
By Gigi on December 13th, 2008 at 7:39 pm
The Telegraph has a story about a bearded William shooting at Sandringham where Kate was also present:
http://preview.tinyurl.com/5orc74
By NCKat on December 13th, 2008 at 10:01 pm
If all of my fellow speculators out there will Google news on KM there is some! And it’s interesting!
By Claudia on December 13th, 2008 at 10:56 pm
Thanks for the tip, Claudia!
The Telegraph is reporting that photos have been taken of Prince William, Kate Middleton, and Prince Harry hunting at Sandringham.
The article says that Prince William is recently back from several weeks of “secret” training in South America with a Special Forces unit.
By Evelyn on December 13th, 2008 at 11:49 pm
Just reading online that Prince William and Kate Middleton were seen together shooting at Sandringham. Isn’t that encouraging? Perhaps they have just been “lying low” for their own reasons and are still, in fact, very much together>
By Marla on December 13th, 2008 at 11:51 pm
You’re welcome!
I do have other interests in life but whenever I log on somehow KM gets googled first!
By Claudia on December 14th, 2008 at 12:26 am
The Mail on Sunday article has photos. Prince William looks handsome with his new beard. (But I’m partial to beards; my husband has had one for almost 20 years now.)
By Evelyn on December 14th, 2008 at 12:55 am
I Love PW in the beard too. My husband of 22 years has had a beard as long as I have known him, he says he was born with it. It makes him look like the professor that he is.
By Claudia on December 14th, 2008 at 1:06 am
How did the photographer know Kate was there? Anyway, it is nice to see William, Kate and Harry are happy!!! I guess they’ll have nice Christmas dinner together!
By Mikado-watcher on December 14th, 2008 at 1:38 am
I would guess that the photographers knew that the princes have a tradition of inviting friends to join them for a hunting weekend at Sandringham in December, and may stake the place out every weekend until the event happens. From what the Mail on Sunday says, most of the friends stayed indoors. If Kate had stayed indoors, we may not have known she was there, and that would have been written about.
I continue to think that even if the “fire” in W&K’s relationship is no longer as hot as it once was, that doesn’t mean the relationship is over or doomed. A stable, loyal relationship will be good for the monarchy.
By Evelyn on December 14th, 2008 at 2:25 am
Well they are clearly still at least friends, and that ’s a good thing. I just hope Kate has all the facts and is making a decision on her future based on real feelings from William and not other influences.
I suppose this could be the “see we’re friends” show for the press before an amicable split?? I’ve decided that we won’t know until something official happens and I’m done holding my breath…Ha!
By Julie on December 14th, 2008 at 4:51 am
It’s late here, and I don’t much feel like speculating about what this recent press means (though I’d think, it’s a good thing on the whole) but I will say that I much prefer the look of Prince William with a beard!
By greycella on December 14th, 2008 at 5:58 am
This must be some kind of statement…friends, lovers? I think I am the one on the waiting list for the loony bin (and soon, probably after Boxing Day)…and Dan will poke me!
However, before I go, can someone please confirm that CANCELLED wedding plans were defenetely only part of my psychosis?
By Cristina on December 14th, 2008 at 6:03 am
Oh, and one more thing…
Kate’s last 2 photo sessions were: The fall at her fundraiser and; The mobile in the car incident. Now, after so many months, she is photographed with a gun, shooting birds and looking happy. All I am going to say here (as my psychosis clearly worsens) is that if they planned this one, it must have been for the Animal liberationists!
As for the beard, it was planted to distract the ladies. (Pretend there is a psychotic laughing face inserted here.)
By Cristina on December 14th, 2008 at 7:34 am
What about this idea? I’m from the States. When a young man or woman joins the service the first thing he or she completes is basic training. It’s several weeks long and there is very little contact w/the outside world. A cell phone call weekly and letters, but that’s all. Then they graduate and go to their assignment for however long it happens to be. After that posting, should they choose to stay in the military and specialize, they then go for that training. At this point, the spouses or girl/boyfriend can go with them for the length of the training, either living on base or nearby. Is that how it works w/the British military? If so, what about the possibility that Kate has been away w/William for his recent training? That would be one reason why no sightings etc. and, of course, she would have been protected by those around her to ensure her privacy. What do you think? A possibility? A probability? Or is that idea not even realistic?
By Marla on December 14th, 2008 at 3:45 pm
ok..i’m sorry Kate is an idiot!!!!! this was about the most stupid action I can think of. In my mind now she truely is a waity katie. why after all the drama and being out of sight, her mothers comments and Williams obvious commitment elsewhere would she go to a shoot. They have a ‘wobble’ but Kate always goes back to wait, and I think at this point he knows it. I think she sat at home a sulked, realised that wasn’t getting her anywhere and said ‘oh well i give in’. Anyway it doesn’t speak volumes for Kate, just another outing where she appears as a frivolous ornament… sorry I am just frustrated! i keep hoping Kate will show some mature act of independance and worth, but that’s just not who she is and I think it is obvious that she is willing to hang on inspite of everything
By London4704 on December 14th, 2008 at 3:55 pm
I think the cancelled wedding plans have about as much of a chance at being true as any one of the dozens of other things we the speculators have speculated about. Consider how much of the speculation has been wrong over the course of the last couple of years at least.
I have some older videos about Prince William with the top ‘royal press’ experts pontificating on the future of PW and nary a thing they said was fact turned out to be so, especially concerning KM.
By Claudia on December 14th, 2008 at 4:28 pm
The fact is we really don’t know anything about what goes on in private with William and Kate, or any of the other royals, for that matter.
I think it is wonderful that William and Kate were enjoying each other’s company and the beautiful Sandringham grounds, hunting with friends. William is handsome and Kate is beautiful…what a striking couple.
We won’t know one thing until they decide to tell us. Even though I’m starved for royal news, it’s nice that they have been able to enjoy some privacy.
By Miss Marple on December 14th, 2008 at 4:47 pm
Hi my long lost RA friends. I just saw the pictures of KM and PW shooting birds on the Daily Mail site. Guess the interesting saga is continuing. I have been away from the news for awhile and I was sad seeing all the negative things about KM. Looks like they are spending time together doing something “they” enjoy (though I am guessing it is more PW’s thing than hers…)
By happydally on December 14th, 2008 at 7:27 pm
My exact frustration London4704!
By Cristina on December 15th, 2008 at 1:20 am
Claudia, I am more than happy to take the ‘no wedding plans’ on board if John is inclined to agree with you. I guess I trust John’s inside informtaion and expertise on this matter.
By Cristina on December 15th, 2008 at 1:28 am
It sounds to me like they are just friends since the rest of the group chose to remain inside where it was warm and dry. I am surprised at the negative comments about KM left by people below the Daily Mail article. Those photographs were taken with telephoto lens, and it is obvious, at least to me, that KM was not posing but was trying to keep the rain drops from entering her eyes.
I would love nothing more then to see wedding photos involving these two since KM’s family appears to be a sensible and in touch with the average British citizen, however, I think we will have to wait and see how it all turns out.
By Myra on December 15th, 2008 at 2:07 am
What *did* Kate’s mother say? I seem to have missed that somehow. I hope someone will reply.
By miki on December 15th, 2008 at 9:03 am
Sorry! I just realised that John has described Mrs Middleton’s comments in his summary. Thanks.
By miki on December 15th, 2008 at 9:27 am
Miki, if you trawl back up the column of comments on this topic, you’ll find a link to the original Mandrake piece with Carole’s views.
By John on December 15th, 2008 at 10:21 am
Cristina, before the SAR decision there were a number of reports suggesting a Christmas annnouncement, with a wedding in late spring/early summer next year. It was then reported that Kate would be at Sandringham on Boxing Day. Two plus two = ?
After the SAR announcement, Clarence House began playing down all talk of an engagement for 18 months at least and now it seems it’s been hoisted into the long grass.
I believe if Kate is the guest of the Queen at Sandringham around Boxing Day that will signal a seriousness that’s been missing for a while — apart from an obvious friendship.
If this weekend’s public display at Sandringham is a cover for Kate not being there on Boxing Day, then we can assume nothing will happen for 6-7 years while William serves his time in the RAF.
In that case, I think it’s unlikely they will ever marry.
By John on December 15th, 2008 at 10:28 am
John I think you are WRONG. I think they are pulling a Edward/Sophie thing dating for years and then out of the blue an announcement. I think William is fully aware that his parents barely knew each other before they married I think Diana said they met something like 13 times in the Settelin tapes. I think William wants to be absolutely sure before he takes that big step. If you look closely Edward and Sophie have one of the happiest marriages.
By Trudie on December 15th, 2008 at 3:58 pm
John, do you think Kate will decline the invitation like past two years?
By Mikado-watcher on December 15th, 2008 at 4:50 pm
Mikado, I don’t know, but the outing over the weekend was so public it could have been to keep the situation at low-boil and avoid comment if Kate doesn’t appear on Boxing Day.
As I’ve said, if she does turn up as a guest of the Queen at Christmas, that will speak volumes. If she’s absent, or stays at Wood Farm with William, that will bode a secondary, or friend status, and we’ll be none the wiser.
As for Trudie’s point, the SAR decision still has to be explained. Seven years in the RAF does not suggest happy homemaking for the cuddly couple now or in the future.
By John on December 15th, 2008 at 5:09 pm
I am having a hard time making all of these details add up!
Clearly PW and KM have the right to run their relationship as makes sense for them however it may disturb my need of glittering fairy tale royal distractions. But I do find the senario that we have been batting around here for some time hard to swallow.
According to RA prevailing wisdom/facts/speculation I understand the following: Wedding plans for the two of them were at some stage of planning. At some point along the way of these plans PW got some degree of cold feet and unilaterally planned out a 7 year career in the military and ooops! forgot to tell Kate about it and now I guess the wedding is off for at least 7 years which is the same as saying it will happen never. This is what is commonly referred to a a ‘wobble’, knocking Kate off her feet for a few days but now all is fine and they are now best friends and will remain so as far as the eye can see. We glibly say that perhaps this was Williams way of gently letting Kate know that he was tired of the relationship once and for all.
We repeat all of this to ourselves until we are convinced that it is plausible. But for human people like myself much of it does not ring true. If there was such serious wedding planning going on so that news of it slipped out to RA fans, the whole world would also have known about it and the story would have broken wide open. Friends and family would have known I assume since we at RA knew, and the press would have had more specific chapter and verse to tell us of instead of the usual constant fact-less, news-less inanities that we are fed.
To me the real problem here is what this version of events says about the people involved. What this behavior if true says about PW would border on psychological sickness or such caddishness that not one of us would care to follow the career of such a person. Then there is KM herself. She thinks she is planning a wedding, to the level where Clarence House is involved etc. and then her intended changes his mind, plans out the next 7 years of his life without informing her!!! Does this sound plausible to anyone? KM would have to be commended at that point to be still breathing as the whip-lash effect of the humiliation sets in! Yet, according to this version, she soldiers on, showing up at the odd event to show that at least ‘we’re still friends’. Who would or could pull off such a show under that kind of humiliation/heartbreak/embarrassement. She would be the absolute laughing stock of all not to mention a pathetic creature worthy of our pity after that kind of treatment to keep coming around for more. AS I said there is much here that is just not adding up for me!
By Claudia on December 15th, 2008 at 5:36 pm
Claudia, I’d say that any speculation about planned weddings is moot at this point. Even if they do suprise us all and it does happen, it probably wouldn’t be any time soon.
By NCKat on December 15th, 2008 at 5:47 pm
I agree with you, Claudia. It could just as easily have been a case that in the current global economic crisis, the Queen suggested waiting another year for a grand royal wedding, after PW’s initial 18-month training is completed. I still think PW & KM would both enjoy a few years of newly-married life living in a more secluded military area, where there will be fewer paparazzi to follow every move they make.
It may be that it took Kate a few months to get her head and heart around such a delay. But, if the suggestion came from the Queen or the “Way Forward Group,” she would eventually need to come to terms with it. Plus, William has been away at secret military training for part of that time.
By Evelyn on December 15th, 2008 at 5:52 pm
Thanks John. For which way their relationship goes, I don’t think they will announce it. Not yet.
By Mikado-watcher on December 15th, 2008 at 6:05 pm
Evelyn, your analysis makes much more sense than the idea that PW found enlisting in the military for 7 years to be the best way out of an unwanted emotional entanglement which has been much speculated here and elsewhere. I realize this happens to average people all the time but PW does not fit that category.
I am not focused on the supposed planned wedding for its own sake, its neither here nor there if they had planned one or not as its their business. My point is, if there was a planned wedding and now it is off or delayed, lets stop with the analysis of it that has PW throwing KM over in such an absurd way as if he had suddenly realized she is trash and has to get rid of her. What that would say about the instability of his own character after all that has gone before with these two would not be pretty.
By Claudia on December 15th, 2008 at 6:10 pm
Claudia, the prevailing view is that William does not want to get married. Why else would he put Kate through the burden of carrying the tag “Waity Katie”, which she detests?
The seven-year RAF commitment is not good for Kate. But he is trying to soften the blow.
By John on December 15th, 2008 at 6:27 pm
So is he such a weak character that he just goes along with the wedding plans that you said “although it was never explicitly spelled out, most observers had penciled in a summer wedding with KM” and you “believed a wedding was on and being actively planned…but PW could not bring himself to go through with it but couldn’t end it either. ”
I’m probably pushing too much with this but I hate to think that this is what PW is really like. Maybe a bubble is being burst for me, but it’s easier for me to believe that the wedding idea is just a figment of all of our own needs/desires to see one, rather than PW himself being such a weak character. Or as Evelyn suggested, the Queen wanted it postponed for fiscal reasons etc. But I’m not so silly that I would hold to my opinion in the face of ‘real facts’ if such things show up!
By Claudia on December 15th, 2008 at 7:18 pm
I have to disagree with you, John. The 7-year commitment to the RAF does not mean that Prince William could not get married. It would be a different kind of married life than if he were a full-time working royal, but one that the Queen may see as a gift to a young couple, in the same way that Prince Philip’s time in the Navy was a gift to their young marriage.
It could be that the relationship is off, but I don’t think the RAF commitment means necessarily that the relationship is definitely off. There is a lot that we just don’t know.
By Evelyn on December 15th, 2008 at 7:21 pm
if they are indeed are no longer a couple i would imagine they would need some time apart (more than just a few weeks) to sort out feelings before moving on to the “just friends” stage. i believe while a wedding may not be in the immediate future they are still a couple and that the RAF commitment may give them time when they do marry to have some sort of “normal” or as much as can be married life before they undertake full time royal duties..
By coni on December 15th, 2008 at 7:32 pm
I’m with you Evelyn. It has been posited that William made his military decision because he doesn’t want to get married, but we have no evidence of that. William’s wishes and desires are completely unknown to us. I imagine the Queen would advise Kate that a period as a military wife would be good for her, preparing her for her future as a public servant—probably an honorary regiment commander in her own right someday—and the King’s primary supporter.
By Dan on December 15th, 2008 at 7:44 pm
Claudia, I would hate to label this as being of weak character – it doesn’t take a weak character to commit to a stint in the military – and for all we know, any decision could have been mutual. I loathe to ascribe blame for this sort of situation to one person. I agree it doesn’t look good for a future king but if you want my opinion, I far rather he cut loose now than end up in a loveless marriage like his father. I just wish they’d be more upfront about it and get on with their lives.
As things stand, if it’s all over, I think they’ve lingered too long to prevent damages to their reputations – I mean the both of them, not just William.
By NCKat on December 15th, 2008 at 7:46 pm
If we can forget about Kate awhile, it is wise decision for PW to join RAF for the difficult time. Being a full time royal is a huge responsibility but not many people (and PW) agree that cutting tapes and attending openings are “the job” for a 26 years old man.
We don’t know when PW made the decision but I think the timing of the announcement was right. I want to know that current financial crisis is a part of reason for PW’s change of mind.
By Mikado-watcher on December 15th, 2008 at 8:13 pm
Why do we need to know why William made the decision? The only ones he needs to explain it to are his family and Kate.
By NCKat on December 15th, 2008 at 8:18 pm
We don’t have to know but isn’t that what we’re all doing, which is why I am expressing my concern. Much time is spent here and elsewhere endlessly speculating on why royalty, PW, Charles etc make the decisions they do. We chat, throw positions and ideas around which is fun and enjoyable until the constant repitition of said positions take on a life of their own and become fact when they only began as fun speculation. By that time we’ve all forgotton how the ‘facts’ began and less than flattering ideas float around about people that we begin to accept as true when they are maybe not anywhere near truth.
As I see how really nasty things get out there especially for KM I sometimes say to myself, wait, this would be so hurtful to have to live under, which was probably Mrs. Middletons message. Even the ‘waity Kate’ moniker is press based and no matter how realistic we think that charge is , we don’t really know!
Consider the way Diana was described by Lord Soames and others to be mentally ill. She was probably nearly normal when she began her royal career but the kind of relentless scrutiny she was under could drive even someone in a great marriage mad. Which is probably a good enough reason for anyone, including KM to get out before she goes over the edge. Obama recently made a comment about how a normal person would not pursue the presidency. Maybe the same could be said of royalty!
So why do I have so much fun watching it all then? Last night I spent two hours rewatching for the 4th/5th who knows how often part of the David Starkey Monarchy series. Oh wellllllll………its incurable!
By Claudia on December 15th, 2008 at 9:19 pm
Thank you, Claudia.
By Mikado-watcher on December 15th, 2008 at 9:48 pm
If Kate spends two seconds of her day fretting about “waity katie” I’d be surprised. I doubt she is that thin-skinned. If she does detest it, as John suggests, she’d better get over it or give up on public life. There will always be a worse epithet, until she reaches that “certain” age where the press won’t bother with her anymore.
Since she knows what the truth is, I imagine she is disinterested or even amused rather than hurt by how the press takes a notion and runs with it, whether it comes close to the truth or not.
If William were trying to cut her loose, I don’t believe they would be seen together like this, even from a distance. They know the level of speculation it encourages, as evidenced by our continued rantings!
I don’t believe William will put off marriage for the full seven years of his military attachment. That would make him 33, the same age as his father when he married. I like to think William’s life, so far conducted almost exclusively with one woman, will not repeat the past.
By Dan on December 15th, 2008 at 10:03 pm
There have been quite a few thoughtful and credible opinions posted here, and I find I must support those purported by Dan and Claudia. I do not believe that Prince William and Kate have had a parting of the ways, nor do I believe that a wedding is off. Rather, I believe that there has been a shifting of priorities, mandated perhaps by the Queen, or necessitated by Prince William’s military training. Charles, as Prince William’s father, would of course have a great deal of input into Prince William’s future, and there may indeed have been a factor put forth by Clarence House that has postponed a wedding. Whatever has happened, we shall have to bide our time and hope for the best for the young couple. The hunting weekend at Sandringham has further convinced me that there has been no cooling, nor parting. Had there been a decision to “call it a day” with the relationship, I very much doubt that Prince William would have invited Kate to one of the Royal homes, especially Sandringham, which is hallowed because it figures largely in the public mind as the place where the Queen holds her Christmas Court, as did her ancestors before her back to King Edward VII. Even in the time of King Edward VII, there was precious little privacy possible at Sandringham. I do not believe that Prince William is a cad, nor do I admit the possibility that he has cooled completely on marriage with Kate Middleton. I am, of course, not infallible, but I am an incurable romantic!
By Gigi on December 16th, 2008 at 12:11 am
I think it’s still far too early to tell what those pics really mean. It shows that they are talking to on another and spending some time together. But does it mean that their is a relationship still? Or just a friendship between the two?
That saying about keeping ones enemies closer to you, if you get my drift could be happening. Not that i’m saying that William sees Kate as an enemy, what i’m getting at it by keeping her close it makes it less likely for the press to get an exclusive on how it ended up, if it has ended in some way. Given Carole’s comments I also have my opinions that it was coming from someone who is frustrated at where everything is heading for her family and her Daughter.
By Belinda on December 16th, 2008 at 1:58 am
Well, if the relationship is over (and I don’t think it is), Kate’s presence last weekend means that Prince William definitely is not ready to begin a new relationship. What young woman in her right mind would begin dating a prince who still invites his long-time ex-girlfriend along for the weekend? That might say that he wasn’t completely over her, and perhaps would end up in love triangle much like his parents and stepmother were in. Way too close to history repeating itself.
By Evelyn on December 16th, 2008 at 2:17 am
Gigi – your point about the Queen requesting a delay for any marriage between Wills and KM left me with what is perhaps sort of an off-the-wall question/theory. If the Queen decided to “retire” in the next couple of years and become the new Queen mum, it is quite likely that a lot of discussions would arise regarding whether Charles & Camilla should ascend to the throne, or if Prince William should instead become king. Even with the public resentment of Camilla receding these past few years, PW is still immensely more popular than Charles & Camilla. If such a scenario occurred, particularly not that long after a royal wedding for PW & Kate, one can imagine that the popularity of a lovely, young & popular royal couple would put added pressure on Charles to step aside.
I do not think that Charles would refuse the crown, but if he became king in this type of scenario, he would likely be very unpopular, and potentially create support among both the British people and the other member nations of the Commonwealth to support republicans’ efforts to abolish the monarchy, or at least remove the monarch as the head of state in Britain & Commonwealth countries.
In my humble opinion, her Majesty is probably the smartest and most politically savvy monarch in British history. So, preservation of the monarchy would seem to be the most important matter for her as Queen. She is also a mother and undoubtedly loves Charles very much. I can imagine that she likely has tremendous sympathy for her son in his being the 1st in line to the throne, but not 1st in the hearts of many of her subjects when it comes to succeeding her. Furthermore, it is hard to imagine that HM would think that her grandson is fully prepared to take over the monarchy as a man in his late 20’s. (Frankly, given Wills trepidation when it comes to marriage, I would be shocked if he wanted to ascend to the the throne at such a young age).
It would seem to me that if Wills were still single AND in the midst of a multi-year military commitment that he enjoys and allows him to serve his country, there would not be nearly as much talk or pressue for Charles to step aside and allow his son to take the throne.
In short, is it possible that the delay of a royal wedding came at the request of the Queen so that Wills’ marriage occurs after his father becomes king?
John, any thoughts on this or am I being too much an optimist?
By Lisa on December 16th, 2008 at 2:26 am
Gigi – I just read your last comment which was posted while I was typing (sorry, John, I didn’t mean for it to be so long!). I think you answered at least part of my question.
By Lisa on December 16th, 2008 at 2:42 am
Evelyn, I doubt very much he would want to start a new relationship either, not if he is about to start a career that will last for years. I just think it’s to early to tell at this stage what is the state of his relationship with Kate. It possible they are together or they are just friends still.
By Belinda on December 16th, 2008 at 3:50 am
PW and Kate must be of herculean character to be in a relationship for 6 years, break-up via military career decision, and be friendly enough with each other to smile and laugh while shooting birds at his family’s place a few months later. Part robotic, even. (Either that or they had the most milquetoast relationship *ever*.)
By Imani on December 16th, 2008 at 4:33 am
If the relationship was over, why would he invite her in the Queen’s estates? Her low profile was asked by the RF. The entire family are trying to make low profile during the financial crisis. I guess the recent bad press about her was like a warning. It may be possible that she is not as interested by the limelight as before. I don’t believe that they’ve broke up but I truly believe that he won’t marry her either. He will marry when he will be 34 or 35. It is impossible to marry a girl who will be the same age. What an idea. Princess Alexandra of Hanover will be 19 or 20. She’s a princess, she’s protestant, and the story will repeat itself.
By Apple on December 16th, 2008 at 9:56 am
9 days until Christmas!
By Cristina on December 16th, 2008 at 10:27 am
Imani, the alternative is that they agreed to be just friends and Kate went to Sandringham as simply that. In the public mind the match will fade over the next seven years. That could be the plan, but we will know with reasonable certainty after the Christmas and New Year holidays.
By John on December 16th, 2008 at 11:19 am
The only picture that their actions seem to paint is that of a sad, mixed-up couple of kids. All these convoluted theories of what’s “really” going on behind the scenes could just be wishful thinking.
I feel really sorry for Kate. If they don’t get married, it may be very difficult for her to recover from such a high-profile romance that in the end just fizzled out.
By miki on December 16th, 2008 at 11:24 am
Incidentally, I’ve heard there will be no Caribbean holiday for them in January this year. So Christmas is really the last time they can be together before William starts his RAF training.
Somebody asked about whether a girlfriend or wife could accompany him on that training. It’s not beyond the bounds of possibility that they could rent a house for Kate nearby, but it would be a lonely existence and would stop him going out with the lads on some evenings. I think it very unlikely.
The RAF placement is very hostile to Kate in every respect.
By John on December 16th, 2008 at 11:37 am
You don’t break up with a girl, then bring her to your family estate. The only reason she would be there, is that they are still dating. No girl in their right mind would take a holiday with their ex boyfriend at his family estate, especially when his brother and gf are there as well.
As someone mentioned before, the Queen probably wants to lay low due to the economy and has said “no wedding until the economy turns around.” It would be in poor taste to splash an elegant, expensive wedding in front of a nation which is just trying to make ends meet.
By American Cousin on December 16th, 2008 at 2:34 pm
As you may remember from my previous posts, I do not think that Kate and Prince William will ‘live happily ever after’ any time soon. However, I do not link that to his military stint.
I would like to point out that there is always some sort of planning at the palace – there are plans for funerals and weddings. Rough ideas that will get fleshed out closer to the event. I would have been surprised if there wasn’t some sort of plan for a wedding for Prince William or at the very least an outline of the options.
By Abby on December 16th, 2008 at 3:20 pm
American Cousin, I agree with your thoughts on the wedding. The future King of England can’t exactly hold his wedding in a firehall catered by the local ladies doing potluck with casseroles and cupcakes, can he?
Perhaps Gigi could host a tea in lieu of the Queen footing a lavish party – I’m sure everyone would leave the celebrations in awe of the beautiful couple AND the sumptuous treats and drinks!
By Blondie on December 16th, 2008 at 3:28 pm
There’s a bit of sexism in all this, I think.
It is frequently stated that William doesn’t want (or isn’t ready for) marriage, and Kate is therefore doomed to sit at home, pine for her Prince, and wistfully hope that he’ll ask for her hand someday.
As far as I know, no evidence has ever been presented that Kate wants (or is ready for) marriage. Who’s to say that she isn’t as independent-minded as he is? They both may be patiently waiting for each other, and for just the right time to settle down.
The notion that every 26-year-old girl must be desperate to marry is very Jane Austen, if you ask me. As for the biological clock (another increasingly old-fashioned notion), a 43-year-old colleague of mine married only two years ago and gave birth to a healthy baby girl just last night.
Kate is hardly in danger of sad, lonely spinsterhood just yet. The press and the people may deem her “past her prime” if she “waits” much longer, but if she’s wise she’ll set that sexist judgment aside.
By Dan on December 16th, 2008 at 4:11 pm
Just curious…is there a “requirement” for a wedding for a future King? Does it HAVE to be the Charles/Diana spectacle, or if William (and lets just assume Kate) wanted, could it be smaller, more intimate, & less public?
Would the ceremony, for instance, HAVE to be televised around the world?
I’d be disappointed if it isn’t, but I just wasn’t sure what the protocol is.
John…or anyone?
By Claire on December 16th, 2008 at 9:13 pm
John, if the break-up scenario is true, agreeing to be friends after 6 years is one thing. Taking that sentiment so far as to hang out at your ex’s family place mere months afterwards while Harry and Chelsey act all lovey dovey, to go so far as to laugh and hunt with him with the possibility of being photographed quite high, and have the tabloids continue their spiteful “Waity Katie” meme seems nigh on masochistic for any person (man or woman) who has been in love. It’s one thing for Kate to know that the tag is not true and quite another for her to deliberately put herself in a position to reinvigorate such gossip. The latter part of their relationship would have to have been truly devoid of any romantic feeling. (Especially if she did not know about PW’s military decision way ahead of the announcement.)
I wasn’t sure about the break-up story before but at least Kate’s absence from the scene was enough of an empty screen that we could all throw up our own ideas. If Kate is as independent-minded as we think she is, and one accepts the break-up story, her Sandringham stay shows her being far too concerned about protecting PW’s public reputation without enough concern for her own. If they want to show a united, friendly front, be seen having lunch at some reasonably priced restaurant, at a gallery or a skating rink with a bunch of friends, chuckling at the cinema, something. Anywhere more neutral (and recession-friendly) than Sandringham.
By Imani on December 16th, 2008 at 9:28 pm
Claire, there is no legal requirement for Prince William to have a wedding ’spectacle’ along the lines of Charles and Diana. All that is required is the Monarch’s assent to the marriage of a member of the royal family. It is and obsolete law in many ways but just one of those traditional things that is observed but doesn’t really hold any sway.
However, Prince William is the future head of state. As such, his wedding is likely to become a spectacle along with the usual pomp and circumstance that we now expect.
Representative of other countries will be invited to witness the ceremony. It will be argued that the nation is footing the bill so taxpayers deserve to see it on TV. I have every expectation that it will be a three ring circus.
By Abby on December 17th, 2008 at 2:12 am
I will be floored if Prince William’s wedding is anything but the traditional full-blown State Wedding in St. Paul’s Cathedral or Westminster Abbey, with television broadcasting it across the globe, the church filled with dignitaries and members of Royal Families from every country that still has a monarchy and even several who do not. (The Royal Family of Greece will be in attendance, since they are related to Prince Philip and since King Constantine is one of Prince William’s Godfathers. He is officially an ex-King, but I do not accept that, so I continue to refer to him as King Constantine.) Prince Harry can downscale his wedding, if he wishes, but Prince William will one day be King, and his wedding by tradition must be filled with the requisite pomp and circumstance. It is part of the pageantry that the Kingdom, and, indeed, the world has come to expect of Great Britain.
By Gigi on December 17th, 2008 at 2:41 am
When he gets engaged, is he going to give his bride Princess Diana’s engagement ring (which he specifically asked to be allowed to have after her death)? Or will he keep that ring as a memento and buy his bride a new one?
By miki on December 17th, 2008 at 7:23 am
I can imagine the press-averse William preferring to marry in a private setting like Windsor. There’s no indication yet that his marriage will spark the kind of worldwide fairy-tale craze that his parents’ wedding did. The world saw how that marriage turned out, and then saw it turn tragic, and might approach William’s fiancée and their wedding with a more sober eye.
Tradition will prevail and Westminster Abbey will win out. I think St. Paul’s is a longshot.
By Dan on December 17th, 2008 at 3:19 pm
Dan, I believe if the marriage had taken place a few years ago, it would have created a stir approaching Charles and Diana. Now, I think it would be big, but not huge — the moment has gone.
However, a big Royal wedding in the midst of a depression might cheer everyone up, as the Queen and Philip’s did in the late Forties.
By John on December 17th, 2008 at 3:33 pm
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By John on December 17th, 2008 at 3:35 pm
If I remember correctly the Wedding of Charles and Diana was held at St Pauls at the request of Charles, because of the wonderful acoustics for the music HE Chose, Diana’s only contribution to the music was the hymn I vow to thee my country. And that it could hold more people. I’m Sure it will be Charles who picks the venue. I think there will be a wedding but not for a few years yet. I also think William and Kate have taken HM’s order to lay low during the economic crises seriously. They didn’t just drop off the radar due to a breakup or the press would have been all over both of them especially Kate.
By Trudie on December 17th, 2008 at 3:43 pm
A wedding would cheer people up, but not necessarily a big splashy one. If it happens in the next few years, I would opt for sober (but not somber) and dignified.
Now that Woolworths is going under, I guess we won’t see them reissuing commemorative plates and tea towels when the time for a wedding comes.
By Dan on December 17th, 2008 at 3:56 pm
Actually, even during times of crisis and austerity, people seem to revel and find comfort in the richness of Royal pageantry. It was true when Princess Elizabeth wed, and I believe it will continue to be true if austerity still remains when Prince William weds. After Prince Albert, the Prince Consort, died in 1861, two Royal weddings took place within two years. The first was that of Princess Alice to Louis of Hesse, and because of Queen Victoria’s extreme grief, the wedding was small, private and more like a funeral than a wedding. The public, while understanding (at that time) the feelings of the Queen, did not appreciate the need for a hugely scaled down Royal wedding. The next year, when the Heir, the Prince of Wales (who became King Edward VII) wed Princess Alexandra of Denmark, Queen Victoria grudgingly allowed a larger, more appropriate wedding, although she occupied Catharine of Aragon’s Closet, high above the altar, for the wedding and refused to attend the wedding breakfast following the service. My point is that whatever economics or incidents befall the Kingdom, the people of Great Britain are cheered and strengthened by the full display of grand Royal pageantry, especially for a Royal Wedding or for a Coronation. To take it away from them, for even a seemimgly sage reason, is not the best course. Now more than ever, the people need something to smile about, something to make their problems seem less dreary. Let us have a beautiful, grand, glossy and elegant Royal Wedding (in the fullness of time), and we shall all find our spirits uplifted.
By Gigi on December 17th, 2008 at 5:49 pm
The last friday (12/14) pics of Chelsy don’t look like a happy girl flying high. She appears talking on the cellphone with a very sad face, then there are more pics after hanging up with a trickle on her left eye and puffy face.
By Me on December 18th, 2008 at 2:07 pm
Ah, Miss Chelsy. Now there is a girl who seems independently minded. I think if anyone’s relationship is on the verge of ending, it might be Prince Harry’s. If Miss Davy truly is as homesick as reports are saying, how would she be able to live a life in England? Of course, Harry doesn’t have to live in England does he? He could conceivably live in Africa, right?
And as far as Miss Middleton being with the princes on a shooting expedition… if their relationship is over, she must be incredibly devoted and hopeful that she can get Prince William back, or she’s torturing herself. I hope, for the sake of both of them, that things are going well and we are just not privy to anything concrete. I really, truly hope, she is not William’s version of Camilla. But the more I read, the more I keep thinking these things tend to repeat.
By Meg on December 19th, 2008 at 8:13 am
I don’t think that because Chelsy is working and has other interests in life does mean that her couple with Harry is over. At least there is one of the 2 girls who is not waiting for a humiliating “waity Chelsy” to go to work. She is not afraid to be unavailable for him occasionally. She is more respected than Kate in the medias. I don’t see what is wrong with missing home. It’s understandable. They started their relationship while she was still in her country so where is the problem. Chelsy has always been independant and I think it is one of the reasons that makes Harry in love with her. What Kate does? Waiting. It’s not showing disrespect or something to say that. It’s the truth. I believe she’s still with William but there is no way he will marry her. It was an engagement announcement in 2008 or never. And he prefers an engagement with the RAF. The fact that he makes understand that he choses to be away from her during 7 years her does speak volumes. To see each other 1 or 2 times a month for hunting with friends is the not the way to a wedding. I guess he is again in one of his numerous times where he is not interested in her. And Kate accepts that situation.
A break up would make William trying to do his maximum to protect the RF from the negatives repercussions that generated a break up last year. He would be very cautious to be photographed with her and he would not invite her in the Queen’s estates, even as a friend.
By Apple on December 19th, 2008 at 9:10 am
Check out the Daily Mail Kate, William and Pippa were out partying last night. Not a clever move IMO.
By Belinda on December 19th, 2008 at 10:53 am
I agree that it is not a clever move, during these times of financial crisis. Even Harry stopped the clubs and the booze nights.That’s really incongrus to spend millions for alcohol bills now. It also shows that they’re still a couple though, for some who believed that they broke up. She kept a low profile recently because of her bad press and her behavior at the “disco charity”. I also think that she is not interested by the limelight as before.
By Apple on December 19th, 2008 at 11:07 am
Well, it is Christmas, Belinda. They seem more like old friends now, don’t they?
By John on December 19th, 2008 at 11:09 am
I agree John!
I know its Christmas but wouldn’t it of been smarter to have a party in private? Merry Christmas to all! 
Harry had a few friends with him as did Chelsy. I think they had a wobble seems like it has been resolved in some way is it just friendship or are they still a couple? 
By Belinda on December 19th, 2008 at 11:33 am
The London paper reports William and Harry’s Christmas party, 30 of their friends where invited on their tab, with the obvious girlfriends; Kate and Chelsy. I believe W&K are in for a long PLANED relationship and they will PASS the RAF test of being apart.
The papers report the couple as “girlfriend” not friends.
By Me on December 19th, 2008 at 1:20 pm
“She kept a low profile recently because of her bad press and her behavior at the “disco charity”.”
She told you this did she Apple?
If the Royals and those associated with them kept a low profile because of bad press then they would be forever out of sight as there is always somebody in the media ready to complain about them. Kate’s low profile these last few months is probably more than likely a result of her no longer living in London and therefor making it harder for photographers to get photographs of Kate out for a night or simply walking down the street. Chelsy Davy was praised for not loving the limelight when few photographs of her in Leeds were available (well except for the many, many private photographs of her that seem to be posted all over the Internet) but since she has been in London on work experience there have been numerous photos of her taken throughout the day available on agency sites on a daily basis. Kate’s decision to move out of London was a smart one in regards to finally being able to achieve some sort privacy.
As for her behavior at the charity event she help organize, I have to say you have lost me there! She and her friends did a good thing for a worthy cause and I hope that she (and they) don’t allow anyone to take it from them because of they unexplainably need some people feel to constantly put her down.
By Ash on December 19th, 2008 at 2:10 pm
Kate is not a royal. She was not in Peru, the paps know where she lives and where they can find her. The pics that showed her in her car with a mobile phone where not in London. I can tell you that there were several photos of her during that period. The newspapers are no the only support. It was a mix between her trying to hide and the laziness of the editors about publishing her photographs without something interesting to say. If William wasn’t with her last night the Mail wouldn’t have published the pics.
Have you ever noticed that when she does something “wrong”, such as enjoying the attention, William is not seen with her during weeks? Remember when she posed for Hello with the Sisterhood thing. Suddenly there were reproaches supposed to be made by the Queen and Harry everywhere in the press. I’m sorry but the disco charity, as I like to name it, was a complete fiasco for her image. It was just a party with the excuse of charity. The potential future Queen on the floor, wide apart legs. Sure, that was classy.
I didn’t make a comment here to put her down. No need to make a drama about her. I believe she doesn’t care about what strangers think about her on the internet.
By Apple on December 19th, 2008 at 2:33 pm
Apple, I agree with you that Roller Disco thing looked like a party with charity attached to it. I wonder what her Mother thinks by her daughter suddenly coming out of the woodworks after gaining a reputation as being a party girl, only to be seen partying again. This must hurt her Mother’s PR of trying to convince the public that she works.
People say she must be keeping a low profile, but she ends up proving them wrong by stepping out.
By Belinda on December 19th, 2008 at 2:45 pm
If Kate is no longer his girlfriend, yet she is a good friend of his, I don’t think PW would bring her in to the spotlight since he doesn’t like the “Waity Katie” tag.
By Mikado-watcher on December 19th, 2008 at 2:51 pm
My dears, we are all getting in a froth, unnecessarily I feel. While it is true that the economy is in dire straits, no one has cancelled Christmas, nor does anyone have the authority to do so. Across the globe, while people tighten their belts financially, there will still be carols sung, church bells rung, gifts exchanged, holiday dinners and parties, Christmas trees trimmed, holiday lights lit, manger scenes placed, candy canes eaten, Christmas cards written and mailed to friends and loved ones far and near. I see no problem with our two young Princes entertaining their friends at a holiday party and I would hope that no one else would feel such an action was reprehensible. Let us remember the marvelous story of “A Christmas Carol,” in which the good but beleaguered Bob Crachit, sacked by Scrooge and with very dismal prospects, laughs with courage and delight as he spends every last cent he has to provide a goose and chesnuts for his family for Christmas dinner. This beautiful, sacred time of year is further hallowed by the open-handed generosity, kindness, compassion and merry-making of humans, which celebrates the Greatest Gift of All.
A very merry and blessed Christmas to all our dear RA clan, and may the New Year which is to come be a happy and healthy time for all! As Tiny Tim so aptly said, “God bless us, every one!”
By Gigi on December 19th, 2008 at 3:24 pm
“If William wasn’t with her last night the Mail wouldn’t have published the pics.”
Oh yes they would have. The have several times before. Articles about Kate attract plenty of attention regardless of if William is with her or not. As for the laziness of editors, hardly. More a case of photographs of Kate cycling down a country road are hardly consistent with the party-girl image they have given her. Also photographs of her working at her parents company doesn’t work with their work shy Kate image.
“I’m sorry but the disco charity, as I like to name it, was a complete fiasco for her image. It was just a party with the excuse of charity”
It was no different that the millions of events that are organized every year to help raise money for different things, well except for the fact that Kate Middleton was involved. Hopefully people will continue to organize them and money will continue to be raised.
“People say she must be keeping a low profile, but she ends up proving them wrong by stepping out.”
Stepping Out at Christmas – shame on her! Considering the speculation that William and Kate had ended their relationship recently because they, especially Kate, haven’t been seen around, I’d say she is doing a good job of keeping a low profile. It would be wise to remember that a low profile doesn’t mean disappearing all together.
By Ash on December 19th, 2008 at 4:10 pm
If everyone stayed home in rough economic times, the pubs and restaurants would be devastated like the shops. Let’s tone down the sanctimony and give the party-goers a break!
Honestly, this site used to be a sanctuary for those of us who remained steadfast in our faith in W&K, no matter the course they choose for themselves, together or apart. In the spirit of the season, let’s remember our kinder and gentler ways.
Remember, we may yet be talking about the future King and Queen, and won’t they of little faith (and more than a little scorn) feel right small when that comes to pass!
Season’s greetings, everyone, and party on!
By Dan on December 19th, 2008 at 5:37 pm
in the spirit of christmas I will commend Chelsy’s smart dress and work and attempt to ignore Kate’s neon blue tight tarty dress exposing bosom and underwear AGAIN! Good job Chelsy : )
By London4704 on December 19th, 2008 at 5:55 pm
Yes, let’s have more than a little of the Christmas spirit here. Kate is entitled to her nights out, although, as London implies, her dress was not designed to win plaudits at the Palace. Maybe she doesn’t need to now.
By John on December 19th, 2008 at 6:16 pm
Oh, London4704, I’m afraid that still wasn’t very charitable at all but…er…good try?
I agree that these photos of Will & Kate out and about only make sense if they’re still together. I see no difference in the way they’re interacting now in public photos to ones when they were still together as they were never into PDA from the start (so how would we tell?). I hope they have a lovely Christmas. I don’t mind them partying now and never did in the past, really, only the excessive drunken displays (which Katie never indulged in).
Merry Christmas Gigi and to everyone else!
By Imani on December 19th, 2008 at 6:28 pm
John,
Oh my how your site has changed!
By TeaTea/ Madelaine on December 19th, 2008 at 7:04 pm
About your comment, John, it does make one wonder if anyone has been taken aback or has warned her about her wardrobe malfunctions. After the roller disco lie-down and the much-referenced amount of thigh she showed the last time she got in the back seat with William, one might expect that William would have asked her to be more discreet when the press is likely to be following. You have often said that William is not likely to have been pleased with the roller disco photos.
If that’s the case, he doesn’t seem to have shared those thoughts with her! Here are her thighs and underclothes on display again.
It was also surprising to see her again with a rifle in hand last week, after all the guff she took about it last time.
Taken along with his new beard, is it possible these are signs of the couple actually goading us into talking?
By Dan on December 19th, 2008 at 7:33 pm
Maybe we are trying too hard to make sense on every picture we see….
By Mikado-watcher on December 19th, 2008 at 8:53 pm
Dan, there’s definite talk that the Palace and William were not pleased with the DayGlo pics. That she is flashing her stuff now suggests to me that she has given up on being Queen.
As I’ve written before, I believe these two are still good friends, but I can’t believe that William is intent on marrying her now, otherwise he would have tried to remove her “Waity Katie” tag by all means possible. The SAR decision says it all.
And, the site hasn’t changed, just the situation.
By John on December 19th, 2008 at 9:04 pm
Hi everyone, I’m new but an avid Wills and Kate follower, don’t ask me why, I just find them compelling even tho’ I’m a Yank. Anyhow, I just wonder why Kate would want to “flash” the media at all, I mean what does she stand to gain from it? I don’t know that that kind of notoriety is in character for her. I think the idea that Kate has set out to titillate the reading public or send a secret message via this act is laughable. She doesn’t strike me as that sort of young woman. Honestly, I’m pulling for them and I wish them well and I hope Kate does ultimately get her man. I love an underdog after all.
By Yami on December 20th, 2008 at 12:14 am
As much as I wish these two lovely young people would walk down the isle together, I am siding with John: I think they are just good friends who now happen to share the same circle of friends.
Merry Christmas from Atlanta, GA!
By Myra on December 20th, 2008 at 2:05 am
Short of wearing a burka, how discreet can she be? The paparazzi are everywhere and they are looking for any “exposure.” I’m not sure most females could be on guard 24/7 unless they wear jeans and a turtleneck sweater.
I wouldn’t want to be famous. It would mean wearing a blanket while getting in and out of cars or risking exposure. Because unless one is very careful, the occasional glimpse of the bra is seen. And with the celebrities, cameras are waiting for just that. Or more.
By Bonz on December 20th, 2008 at 8:24 am
Well said, Bonz and I must say, I agree. It is virtually impossible not to reveal some cleavage when getting into a car with a camera stuck in your face, unless you are wearing a turtleneck, and who on earth would wear a turtleneck to a party? Further, if a few fashion mishaps disqualifies one from being part of the Royal Family, then no one is eligible. I recall many missteps in the Royal Family over the years, and as to fashion mishaps, Camilla commits one nearly every time she steps out the door. If the Royal Family is going to continue their practice of forcing the Princes’ girlfriends to ‘run the gauntlet’ to prove their worthiness to tread the hallowed halls of Windsor, common decency should decree that in the light of suffocating media coverage, these young ladies should be permitted a few “passes,” for all our sakes. Holier-than-thou attitudes become no one, least of all the Queen and her family, and it speaks to hypocrisy in light of the fact that more than one member of the Royal Family have spent much of their lives commiting one if not all of the Seven Deadly Sins!
By Gigi on December 20th, 2008 at 3:55 pm
If the friendship scenario is indeed true, how does it reflect on William? What can we say about any person, man or woman, who continues to request and welcome the presence, in public venues, of someone whose feelings, hopes and expectations are clearly unrequited? And not in “groups,” mind you, but at events likely to catch the attention of the ever-interested media. If the the “friendship” scenario is as many on this board suspect, William would be
1. Selfish(ly)
2. Toy(ing)
with Kate’s much stronger feelings and
3. Cruel(ly)
feeding her unreasonable hopes.
Lovely Chap!
We can only take comfort in the thought that we are only speculating, and utlimately are not able to receive confirmation from the only two sources who might be able to offer some clarity, namely, the two involved.
By Sojourner on December 20th, 2008 at 6:05 pm
I cannot believe that Kate’s relatively tame cleavage displays are causing an uproar. I seem to remember some quite eye-popping cleavage displays from Diana when exiting cars…one in particular that occurred just shortly after her engagement to Charles!
Several posts ago John stated that the narrative for Kate has changed. I agree, but in a different way than John meant. It seems to me that the narrative on Kate used to be that she was modest, discreet, suitable in every way to be the future queen. Now, suddenly she is a brazen tart, displaying cleavage and body part everywhere she goes. What changed?
There also seems to be a disconnect in the way the royal family is presented in the press. One the one hand, they are said to wish to connect more with the “common folk”. Indeed, in the Monarchy at Work series, at least in the episodes I have seen, the queen seems to take pains to put people at ease. In private she expresses concern that people get so nervous about meeting her — at one garden party when it was over 90 degees outside she said she was concerned that people would dress inappropriately in a bid to impress her and suffer in the heat. Similarly, other members of the family, Charles, William, etc…, take pains to relate to everyday folks. And yet we read that when someone chews gum (horrors!), says “Pleased to meet you” and “Pardon” (pass the smelling salts!), or inadvertently displays the barest glimpse of a bra when exiting a car while dressed in evening wear, they are pratically cast into the outer darkness lest the taint the royal family. This does not seem to be the way to go about making the royal family relevant in the 21st century.
By Miss Marple on December 20th, 2008 at 6:29 pm
In my last post I meant that the press coverage of Kate seems to have changed. I don’t think her behavior has changed at all.
By Miss Marple on December 20th, 2008 at 7:40 pm
Kate’s mum is quoted as saying the wedding might not happen:
http://tinyurl.com/8pnhz5
(this is in the Daily Mail).
By NCKat on December 21st, 2008 at 12:31 am
Also, Kate Nichols says: “Meanwhile, there has been no invitation to Sandringham for Kate this Christmas.” So there goes that hope of a show of acceptance by the Royals.
By NCKat on December 21st, 2008 at 12:41 am
The DN article does not quote Mrs. M. It allegedly quotes a “source” who allegedly passes on Mrs. M’s comments. Vast difference.
By Bear on December 21st, 2008 at 2:32 am
Carole is saying what I’ve thought — and written here — ever since the RAF decision. That Kate won’t be at Sandringham even on Boxing Day means that she has been dropped from Girlfriend to girlfriend.
I think though that William is anxious to protect her from the fallout, hence the two public outings in the past week, one at Wood Farm on the Sandringham Estate.
Katie Nicholl’s news that wedding dates were “pencilled in” for next year, indicates that William looked marriage in the eye and backed off big time. Seven years search and rescue is a heavy penance to pay for not making up his mind.
As I’ve said before, I just don’t believe this will happen now. Nor does Kate, whose views are almost certainly echoed by her mother.
At 27/28 she really needs to find a husband or a career. Chelsy is doing just that, and despite Harry also being away on chopper duties, she will have her work to occupy her time while he’s away.
It’s a big disappointment for Kate and all her fans — many on this site — but her moment passed some time ago.
By John on December 21st, 2008 at 11:52 am
I think Kate is just now realizing she needs to do just that – she needs to figure out where to go from here and hopefully she will pick a path she can be happy travelling and not look back. I imagine she’s feeling sad and disappointed right now but she’s young and can still easily go back to school and start a new career.
My main concern now is that when William looks for a bride, that he not choose one of those stuffy and empty-headed socialites who are sure to be swarming all over him now.
By NCKat on December 21st, 2008 at 12:53 pm
True, Bear, but we’ve heard similar points from her from other sources. There’s no denying them.
By John on December 21st, 2008 at 3:37 pm
What can Prince William do to protect Kate? Hiring lawyers and bodyguards? I don’t think there is nothing he can do to help her from the fallout. Besides, he will be going away very soon…..
By Mikado-watcher on December 21st, 2008 at 5:55 pm
You know, if this were any other couple, we’d just shrug and say “that’s life.” Many people have more than one serious relationship before settlng down and getting married – perhaps our expectations were so high because of who William is and how Kate represented a departure from the norm for Royal brides.
Besides, who knows – maybe he will be ready after his stint in the RAF and she will be ready after some more experience in the real world. I think she’s lived in a bubble ever since university and needs to get some real work experience like Chelsy appears to be doing. William certainly seems to be trying that himself.
By NCKat on December 21st, 2008 at 6:57 pm
Both the weekend visit to Sandringham and the night out at Whisky Mist were occasions where a wide group of both princes’ friends were invited.
Kate (as well as Pippa) would be routinely invited to both events. Neither could decline and still maintain their status as part of the “Princes’ set.”
Given that membership in this set is important for both girls’ marriage prospects, I see them participating, albeit in a cool manner.
More interesting is the fact that William allowed himself to be photographed with Kate both times. But there are several interpretations for this that do not imply a continuing romantic relationship headed to the altar.
For example, the photos could be a red herring away from a current love interest of the Prince’s; they could signal that Kate is still welcome in his company and has not been banished; they could be part of a PR strategy to slowly unwind the relationship in the public eye; I am sure RA can think of others.
While many of us would prefer for Kate to send him to Halifax and be done with him, once and for all, this is unlikely. Maintaining even a tangential relationship with the future King enhances both girls’ social standing. Moreover, I don’t think enough time has passed for Kate to fully and emotionally accept that there is no hope of marriage.
This is a girl whose whole adult identity revolved around being his girlfriend, a girl who made (along with her family) significant sacrifices for the relationship, a girl who was promised marriage and a crown. She can be forgiven for hanging around in the periphery for while until she nurses her wounds and moves on.
As for Carole Middleton’s cryptic comments, we shouldn’t parse every word. The point is she spoke up; she would not have if an engagement were going to be announced.
By Alicia on December 22nd, 2008 at 1:25 am
If they don’t marry, will Kate be seen as “damaged goods” and have trouble making a good match?
By miki on December 22nd, 2008 at 12:10 pm
On the other hand, Miki, with Kate still well in with the future King, there will be lots of wealthy men who would value that connection.
I don’t think Kate will have any trouble finding a husband. Whether he’s totally to her taste is another matter. To my eye, that skimpy blue dress was a signal that she’s available again.
By John on December 22nd, 2008 at 12:16 pm
Miki! Of course not!
The world is full of Dodi Al Fayeds.
By Alicia on December 22nd, 2008 at 12:52 pm
This going on about the day glo pics are ridiculous have you all forgotten that she was on roller skates? She fell and it was unfortunate that at that moment a pic was snapped. I don’t think it was intentional. But while we are on the subject of wardrobe, Kate dresses like a normal girl her age and dresses better than Beatrice and Eugenie IMO and as for cleavage while I think most people are tired of seeing the wrinkled, sagging of the Duchess who should only make them visible for her poor husbands eyes only. Tho the Press always comes up with stunning I find nothing stunning about it. I say leave Kate alone and as for marriage only time will tell.
By Trudie on December 22nd, 2008 at 3:01 pm
Obviously I don’t know whats going on here but we all do certainly like to come to conclusions based on very thin 3rd, maybe 4th hand evidence. ( Mrs. Middleton’s alleged comments perhaps! ) If Mrs. Middleton actually expressed such thoughts to anyone outside of her husband, she now knows she can trust NO-ONE. William probably already knows that he can trust no-one, hence his difficult to break tie to KM.
While we’re sporting with such (un)reliable sources with our hair on fire, we can add the following to the mix. According to a People.co.UK writer who gives a blow by blow transcript of a conversation she actually had with Harry at the famous Christmas party the other night and I quote Harry: “I get lots of attention from women, so does William, but we both have lovely girlfriends. The four of us go out quite a lot together. We all get on really well”. Perhaps Harry was drunk and speaking nonsense. Perhaps William hasn’t told Harry that KM is only a little g friend now. Or maybe Harry is just confused! Am I the only one who thinks that all of this conjecture is absurd?
Maybe we don’t think that this particular People columnist is reliable enough, however she may claim to have actually had a conversation with the principle! I’ll add here that the actual article in the People makes some pretty wild claims based on Harry’s quotes but at least we can read the quotes and decide for ourselves.
By Claudia on December 22nd, 2008 at 4:05 pm
Claudia, as I’ve repeated many times, my own view on this was formed by the RAF decision months ago. It hasn’t changed and is not dependent on reports in unreliable newspapers, like The People.
By John on December 22nd, 2008 at 4:21 pm
I may say that all the speculation is silly, however I take full part in it, support its existence and will continue to add to it!!
But I do so wish we didn’t take it all SO seriously!
By Claudia on December 22nd, 2008 at 4:31 pm
Hopefully we can all hang on until Boxing Day…if Kate is there, I can’t see her being “just a friend.”
I’ll be checking back in then!
By Claire on December 22nd, 2008 at 5:58 pm
My personal feeling on the subject is that no one knows what’s going on in a relationship except the two people in it. I have been in high-profile relationships in the past (obviously nothing CLOSE to the level of KM and PW) and the things I heard about myself and my relationship were completely fabricated and laughable, and came from people that many considered “reliable sources” or “close friends”. So I can’t imagine the stuff that jealous and wicked people dream up and spread around about KM and PW. And I’m baffled by the oft-made comment that Kate enjoys the media exposure. Why do we say that? Because she smiles in public? God forbid!! Should we really assume that she must do so because she adores being followed by strange men and criticized at every turn? Please. I can only imagine that it’s a living nightmare.
Personally, I hope the two are still together and laughing at all of us. But honestly, I put great weight in John’s level-headed opinion, and the fact that he’s sticking to his opinion that a royal wedding is off is really starting to wear down my hopes. Bummer.
By Kris on December 22nd, 2008 at 8:08 pm
Claudia, I read that article, too, and while I don’t trust the source, it did make me consider the possibilities. According to “reliable reports,” the Queen invited Kate to join the RF at Sandringham the last two years, but Kate decided to spend the holidays with her family. Perhaps the Queen is also of a mind that PW+KM should lay low for awhile, and perhaps she has not issued an invitation this year on purpose.
I’m still adjusting to the idea that maybe PW&KM aren’t “an item” anymore. I guess I still would like to believe that isn’t true. Only time will tell.
By Evelyn on December 23rd, 2008 at 1:55 am
Don’t be snookered by William’s handlers Evelyn & Kris. They’re a sneaky bunch, and they are not going to give any hints about what William & Kate are truthfully up to. I don’t believe a word of this breakup nonsense. Stay tuned.
By Positive on December 23rd, 2008 at 2:20 am
I should clarify what William & Kate are up to AS A COUPLE.
By Positive on December 23rd, 2008 at 2:21 am
The immediate goal was to get the heat off of both of them because the feverish pitch of the speculation was absurd. Mission Accomplished. If they had broken up, I’m quite sure Kate would not be holed up and hidden away in the country at her parent’s place. No way. I wasn’t born yesterday, those two are still on and they know exactly what their plans are.
I for one am a huge Kate & William as a royal couple fan and even I was sick of reading all of the nonsense. I rather enjoy this quiet time for them and hope they enjoy it to the fullest before they marry — EACH OTHER.
By Positive on December 23rd, 2008 at 2:28 am
Positive you have said what I’ve been thinking. Both fell off the radar at the same time if there was any hint of a breakup the press would be all over Kate like a bee on honey.
By Trudie on December 23rd, 2008 at 3:03 am
Note to Everyone
Over the last few days our technicians in the States have migrated our sites to a new, faster server. This is now complete, but inevitably there were a few minor problems.
Evelyn has pointed out that a few days of comments have dropped off RA along the way. Once I’ve set up the site again they may suddenly appear, or not, as the case may be.
Fingers crossed, and my apologies for any loss of service overnight — afternoon in the States.
By John on December 28th, 2008 at 11:58 am
The Telegraph is predicting an engagement and it’s not Kate and William’s:
http://tinyurl.com/9qf3zp
They’re predicting an announcement of an engagement for Chelsy and Harry.
By NCKat on December 29th, 2008 at 1:18 am
Thanks for the link, NCKat.
The excellent Andrew Pierce bases the prediction on informed talk at Buckingham Palace. Here’s an excerpt:
“An engagement in the Royal Family may be announced but I suspect it will not be Prince William and Kate Middleton’s. It’s more likely, according to informed talk at Buckingham Palace, to be Prince Harry and Chelsy Davy which is a genuine love match. Zara Phillips, the daughter of the Princess Royal, is also deeply involved with the England rugby player Mike Tindall who may yet pop the question. ”
Note also the phrase: “which is a genuine love match,” which seems to imply that William’s and Kate’s is not.
I always wince when I see the words, “pop the question”. I picture a chap writing “Will you marry me?” on a balloon, holding it up to his beloved’s face and sticking a pin in it.
By John on December 29th, 2008 at 12:28 pm
So what do you guys think about the latest Katie Nicholl article ?
By Me on December 29th, 2008 at 6:57 pm
Me, since the latest column talks about Daisy Lowe, I’m not sure I see the connection. Please provide a link to the article you’re referring to.
By NCKat on December 29th, 2008 at 7:19 pm
I don’t think BP has a clue as to what is really going on with KM and PW.
By Bear on December 29th, 2008 at 8:30 pm
I can only put the title, since I do not know how to post a link.
“Princes take extra leave for a bond of brothers”
dated 12/27, Katie Nicholl.
Prince William is thought to be in Mustique with Kate and Middleton family at the moment.
By Me on December 29th, 2008 at 8:43 pm
Thank you, me – yes, I saw that one. I think it’s the start of a long drought of news about PW and KM that will last as long as he’s in the RAF. I don’t think we’ll be hearing too much of the pair of them for a long time, and perhaps that’s just what he wants. As I’ve said before, this will bring her out of the limelight and go her own path.
Harry seems hell-bent on making headlines, doesn’t he?
By NCKat on December 29th, 2008 at 8:50 pm
Ooooooh, how exiting if indeed Harry and Chelsy get engaged!!!!
John, are you at all able to confirm that KM did not join the royals for Boxing Day? How about the Myutique trip?
I confess that I would be greatly surprised if they were together in Mustique. I suspect Ms Nichol is speculating (she does that a lot I think). How could her family possibly endure it?
NCKat, maybe Harry is purposely helping William out by taking some of the media’s attention (and therefore ours).
By Cristina on December 30th, 2008 at 8:23 am
Kate wasn’t at Sandringham at Christmas, and William “is thought” to be going to Mustique. As always, nothing is certain.
By John on December 30th, 2008 at 2:01 pm
I thought Katie Nicholl was the know everything in Royalty ?! Hmmm I’m confussed.
By Me on December 30th, 2008 at 2:21 pm
Thank you John.
May God grant us all a happy and prosperous 2009!!
By Cristina on January 1st, 2009 at 2:53 am
Indeed, Cristina. It’s going to be trying financially for almost everyone, but that doesn’t mean there won’t be ample consolations. I believe there will.
By John on January 1st, 2009 at 12:10 pm
Both The Mail and The Sun have articles about a trip to Birkhall underway with Kate, William, Charles and Camilla. There is some speculation that the move suggests an engagement, the reason being that the four do no spend time together often. I find this to be a bit of reach though, given that Kate has gone to Klosters before with the family. This may just be replacing that sort of trip, so they can keep their heads down during the recession. There’s also some anonymous-friend-quoting claiming that the relationship is still on stable ground. Who knows?
By Greycella on January 3rd, 2009 at 3:31 am