Zara Phillips Queen of the curtsey
In an interview with Majesty magazine, Zara Phillips reveals she curtseys every time she meets her grandmother, Queen Elizabeth II.
Zara collecting her MBE from the Queen in 2006.
“The thing with my grandmother is she is still my grandmother and she’s very approachable, but she’s also from an era where that was how it was done. But there aren’t many people who know how it’s done. I know because I have grown up with it.”
Like many aspects of British life, which traditionally operates on convention rather than prescriptive law, there are disputes and misunderstandings about the proper way to address the Queen and other members of the Royal Family.
Jo Bryant, an etiquette advisor for Debrett’s says a curtsey for a woman and a bow for a man is still the correct way to greet the Queen. The delightful Zara clearly agrees.
However, Joe Little of Majesty magazine says, “Things are quite a bit more relaxed these days. At one time it was the ‘done thing’ whereas nowadays it is really left to individual discretion.”
The wife of the present Prime Minister, Sarah Brown, reversed the practice of her predecessor — rebel with many causes, Cherie Blair — when she was pointedly seen to curtsey to the Duchess of Cornwall at an international conference.
Men are lucky — bowing is the easy part. The curtsey is the more tricky manoeuvre. Some older women have been known to topple over completely. It really does need some practice.
Method: Put the right foot behind the left foot. Bend the knees maintaining a straight back. It’s probably easier with a loose skirt or gown than a in tight mini.
To see how it’s done by experts, actresses in TV costume dramas are always impeccable. In the BBC’s Wives and Daughters, by Mrs Gaskell, set in Victorian times, the two younger women give deep curtseys to every older person they meet. It’s difficult to imagine modern youngsters having that sort of respect for their elders.
Another great exponent of the curstey is the Welsh opera diva, Katherine Jenkins, who almost sat on the stage with her spectacularly low, slow curtsey to the Queen at the Remembrance concert in the Royal Albert Hall.
Is it possible to revive the practice in the 21st century?
John, I’m all for it, provided it is for a lady as worthy of respect as the Queen.
But I’m afraid I’m one of those women who would probably topple over
By alsgal on August 7th, 2008 at 12:37 pm
I am a traditionalist, John, and I would very much like all to curtsey to the Queen on all occasions, and to every other member of the Royal Family. There is no reason for this custom to be lost in modern times. I feel the same way about Roman Catholics adhering to the ancient custom of kissing the ring of the Holy Father and all Cardinals to whom they are presented. These are gestures of respect, loyalty and obedience which must be preserved.
I am an American, but let me assure you, if I am ever presented to Queen Elizabeth II, I shall curtsey as low as my knees will allow!
By Gigi on August 7th, 2008 at 3:03 pm
It’s all about respect, and I too would curtsey were I ever so blessed! In my opinion people who don’t/won’t use the correct form of address or greeting are just lazy, rude or both.
And this applies to many situations not just upon meeting HRH.
An example, people who call my home and want to talk to Phil…my husbands given name is Philip, he uses his middle name Scott and anyone calling for Phil, is someone attempting to be familiar when in fact they don’t even know him. If they asked for Mr. B…. They would earn favor for being polite and I would listen to what they have to say. As it is, I politely thank them for calling and hang up the phone. Sorry, I’ll get off my soapbox now!
By Julie on August 7th, 2008 at 3:16 pm
How fun! I had just asked a question about this last week I believe. I would be very nervous having to do this in front of people. As Zara said, she has grown up with it, but so many of us today don’t have that kind of etiquette training. I would be googling BBC movie clips I guess if I were to meet the queen.
By Dally on August 7th, 2008 at 3:30 pm
Weren’t Prince and Princess Michael of Kent told to leave their Kensington Palace apartment by the Queen? William and Kate could take their old place.
By Lizzy on August 7th, 2008 at 5:56 pm
Where did you hear that, Lizzy? I really doubt that the Queen would do that. She is devoted to Prince Michael, who is the younger son of her uncle, the former Duke of Kent. Further, Prince Michael and his wife recently had to give up their country home because they could no longer afford it. If they have to leave Kensington Palace (which was a grace and favor home granted them by the Queen), I have no idea where they would live in London. Of course, their apartment in Kensington Palace is right next to the apartment where Princess Diana lived, which is now being used by Charles as offices for the Duchy of Cornwall, so perhaps the location would be ideal. Surely, however, if the Queen asks them to move, she will give them another grace and favor home somewhere.
By Gigi on August 7th, 2008 at 8:55 pm
I think that a curtsey is not (or it should not be) a problem. It is a tradition. In a way you do show your respect for your country by doing so: the Queen represents England.
I’m Orthodox by religion and kissing a priest’s hand is not a problem for me, although some people may think it looks funny and weird and old fashioned. But it is the right way to do it.
I wonder - about curtsies - that it might be good training to take some ballet classes.
Reverence in the end of ballet class is quite close to a curtsy, after all, is it not? Do you know if there is a difference?
By Peg on August 7th, 2008 at 10:01 pm
I believe the Kents were informed ten years back to plan to leave Kensington Palace on a specified date. Certainly they’ve had time to consider their new location. I remember reading an article where Princess Michael expressed a desire for a “folly” rather than a spacious apartment, and hoped to pay for such with the proceeds from the sale of their country estate. As I recall, “the Michaels” are paid from the Queen’s private funds…for whatever it is they do. Perhaps a clean sweep of the cousins was needed at Kensington to make way for the grandchildren as they begin to be part of the royal real estate network? Beatrice was recently handed a four bedroom suite at St. James Palace…a place to stay as she begins university.
By lynda on August 7th, 2008 at 10:05 pm
When Princess Diana went to visit the Emperor Akihito and his wife Michiko, the Princess curtseyed very low that her right knee was almost touching the ground. It was quick greeting but certainly the most elegant and impressive( remember her long beautiful legs?) one.
By Mikado-watcher on August 7th, 2008 at 11:04 pm
Mikado, Princess Diana had her ballet backround ..
Maybe this is why she did it so gracefully?
By Peg on August 7th, 2008 at 11:20 pm
Gigi,
A few years ago there was some controversy over the Kents being allowed to have an apartment in Kensington Palace because they had no official royal duties. The Queen agreed to pay their rent for 7 seven years. But after that they’ll have to find another place. I have no idea if Her Majesty will help them with other accommodations. Honestly, I’m not a big fan of Princess Michael. She’s seems to think very highly of herself.
By lizzy on August 8th, 2008 at 12:25 am
If you want to see some real spectacular deep curtseys, check out Texas debutantes.
By Ursula on August 8th, 2008 at 12:49 am
There are only two members of the RF I would not dream of curtseying to Cammy and Princess Michael both of these women do not deserve any respect from me. As a child going to church I am Espiscopal I was taught to curtsey before the altar before taking my place in the pew. I think the curtsey still has it’s place in the 21st century when meeting a member of the RF unless IMO it is the two I mentioned above.
By Trudie on August 8th, 2008 at 1:57 am
Peg, yes, she was exactly like a ballerina!!
By Mikado-watcher on August 8th, 2008 at 2:51 am
Texas Debutantes do a curtsey called the “Texas Dip” when they are presented to Society. This curtsey is renown for being the lowest curtsey imagineable and I believe they attend classes to learn how to execute this amazing move.
By Gigi on August 8th, 2008 at 3:55 am
My understanding is that the Queen’s children bow to her when they meet the Queen. In private or in public.
By Robert on August 8th, 2008 at 4:38 am
I think all these dips and bobs and reverences are the same as the curtsey, which is just, as the name suggests, a ritual courtesy (again deriving from “court”, hence Royalty). People have obviously adapted it to their own needs.
By John on August 8th, 2008 at 8:29 am
I see the Evening Standard apologized for their story on Prince Philip. You would think a legitimate newspaper would have checked and double checked something as serious as the Queen’s husband having prostate cancer. Now I have to question pretty much all their other stories on the royals.
By lizzy on August 8th, 2008 at 3:12 pm
I agree with you, Lizzy. Credibility is the only currency that counts in the news business. Once lost, it must be earned once again, which takes time and completely accurate and honest reporting. I hope that someone at the Evening Standard has been fired or disciplined over this appalling lapse. I have also read that the Queen’s children and grandchildren bow to her in public and in private, and I certainly hope they do, for they certainly should! She is their Sovereign as well as their mother.
By Gigi on August 8th, 2008 at 3:23 pm
I assume the apology cancels the PCC inquiry? Regarding the Duke’s possible pursuit of a blanket ruling against Royal press coverage based on the Max Mosley precedent, the Telegraph had suggested the Duke would only seek to bar stories that were not true, and not try to bar all coverage of the Royals’ private lives.
By Dan on August 8th, 2008 at 4:14 pm
Wow. Reading the explanation in the Telegraph, the Royal complaint was twofold, first about veracity and second about privacy. Buckingham Palace expresses pleasure that both were upheld.
Does this mean that ALL stories about their private lives, including, for example, the status of William and Harry’s private relationships, is now barred until BH makes announcements?
By Dan on August 8th, 2008 at 4:22 pm
Has anyone read the news of Jecca Craig’s boyfriend Hugh, is marrying someone else ?
By Me on August 8th, 2008 at 5:14 pm
Dan,
I wouldn’t think so unless the case had actually gotten a ruling saying their personal lives were off limits. After the complaint was filed the ES made the decision to apologize and retract their story. Personally I think it is unrealistic to expect the royals private lives not to be covered. They need the media to remain relevant, so the public will know what they’re up to. However, truthfulness should be expected too.
By Lizzy on August 8th, 2008 at 5:34 pm
The Sun has a story up about Fergie visiting Balmoral with Andrew and the girls after 16 yrs for Princess Bea’s birthday. I sort of hope the Yorks reconcile. Sarah’s made some big mistakes, but she really hasn’t done anything worse than Charles, Camilla, or Diana.
By Lizzy on August 8th, 2008 at 7:49 pm
Does Kate’s sister and family have to curtsey each time they see William and Harry? Whats the story on Jecca C. boyfriend and his
engagement???? Also, I read that Fergie is dating and really is
serious with Geir Frantzen. So much that she took him to meet
Andrew.
By Judi on August 8th, 2008 at 9:37 pm
Hey, I have a sister-in-law we call the “Texas dip” — she’s not real bright.
By alsgal on August 8th, 2008 at 10:12 pm
I am so pleased about this! Sarah, Duchess of York, has been kept in Coventry for far too long. Apparently, the stumbling block to reconciliation with the senior Royals has been Prince Philip, who will not forgive the Duchess. Ignoble of him, since many years ago he did something similar and was ripped to shreds by King George VI for his transgressions, although he was not exiled nor shunned as Sarah has been. Speaking of Prince Philip, why is he missing his granddaughter’s 18th birthday party in favor of a sojourn on the Isle of Wight?
By Gigi on August 8th, 2008 at 10:15 pm
The Sun has also released 6 photos of William and Kate on vacation on Mustique. A short article is with the pictures.
They look wonderful toegether and that they are having a fantastic time. Also, I am so happy about Sarah. She has worked so hard to become who she is today. She is wonderful with the girls. Even now deep down, I wish that she and Andrew would reconcile. I do believe that there is a special connection between them.
By kat on August 8th, 2008 at 11:31 pm
Sorry to double post but the DM is reporting that Kate’s mother did meet the Queen at Ascot over tea? The article was about Kate’s wild family. Did anyone hear that they actually met? I am taking this with a large grain of salt.
By kat on August 9th, 2008 at 12:38 am
We just lost RK
By Me on August 9th, 2008 at 2:30 am
I think the DM was just rehashing old “news” as an excuse to post those facebook pictures of Pippa and James. After all it was Richard Kay who claimed Carole would attend Ascot. Yet there were no reports that she ever did. I expect this article to be gone by tomorrow once the Middletons’ lawyers had time to set up a respective complaint.
The pictures of William and Kate are very sweet though I had wished for them to be able to protect their privacy on holiday.
By Isana on August 9th, 2008 at 9:34 am
The article in DM is lifted from the Royal Forum! A person there posted photos from Facebook and a”story” about the Middleton siblings. And you know the quality of the posts on that forum!
I wrote a comment in DM saying what I think about that kind of “journalism”. I know they won’t post it, but I did it anyway. Wish there were ways we could make more people aware of who DM’ s sources really are. They are not “old family friends, “fellow students” or “close pals”. They are posters on the no one “hateKate” site on the net! I have suspected it before, now we know.
BTW in my comment I said that if they wanted a better source they should take a look at RA
By dagga on August 9th, 2008 at 10:07 am
Good job, dagga! You inspired me to send DM my thoughts as well. Even if they don’t post it, I hope they get the chance to at least read it and realize that many are not pleased with such classless journalism, and the fact that lifting it from anti-kate forums does not amuse many at the very least. I really think they’ve gone overboard by targeting Pippa and James. Just because they couldn’t get any scoop from Mustique (The Sun beat them to it!) doesn’t mean they should fill their papers with nonsense.
By frands on August 9th, 2008 at 11:59 am
Dan, that would not be possible. An apology by the Standard does not count as precedent in law. I imagine the PCC inquiry will run its course.
It should also be remembered that the PCC is a private body set up by the press to police itself. Its decisions don’t count as case law either. Just that the press tends to follow its rulings — most of the time, there are always the odd exceptions.
By John on August 9th, 2008 at 12:04 pm
Kat, Richard Kay wrote that it was possible Carole Middleton would meet the Queen in the Royal Box on Ladies Day. Nothing was heard further to my knowledge.
I haven’t seen the new report, which may or may not be true.
By John on August 9th, 2008 at 12:06 pm
Isana, the “wild” story has got a double-page spread in the paper version of today’s Mail. It’s a big splash.
However, if you were to take party snaps in isolation from any family, you’d find some that were a bit “wild”. Photos never tell the whole story in any case.
People having fun can always be portrayed as people doing something disreputable.
By John on August 9th, 2008 at 12:11 pm
I didn’t think the photos were wild at all. I’ve seen a lot wilder photos of members of the royal family. Shouldn’t think the Queen is too upset
The Middleton family might be though. About the article, not the photos. They are obviously trying to live as decently as possible and shouldn’t have to be treated like this by Richard Kay and Daily Mail.
By dagga on August 9th, 2008 at 12:43 pm
Surely Pippa and James could sue the paper over this story though. I mean even if one considers Kate a person of public interest who has to live with being featured in the press to a certain extent - her brother and sister are not. And those are definitely private pictures taken from some facebook without permission. If only they would learn not to post their pics on facebook… Isn’t it also libel to accuse the whole Middleton family of social climbing and make it sound like Pippa and Kate are golddiggers who are only after rich noble men?
By Isana on August 9th, 2008 at 1:26 pm
All the DM wants to do is to sell papers. Unfortunately, by choosing words carefully, the DM can portray Kate and her family any way that they want. With this article , they are painting a very negative picture. Who hasn’t taken silly pictures at parties? If Kate hadn’t had the royal connection, people would say that the pictures are just that. Also, what family member doesn’t want her family to get to know and become friends with her significant other? I have met my sister’s now husband and have socially gone to parties that they have hosted. It is very normal. The words that the DM uses about Kate and her family is that by her wanting the same thing that means that they are social climbers. It would be strange to ask her family not to interact with her friends. Again, the DM is just trying to sell papers. They are doing the same thing that they are saying Kate is doing- using the royal family to sell papers. They are money climbing instead of social climbing.
By kat on August 9th, 2008 at 1:28 pm
Even if they are interested in “marrying up” is that really all so bad? Lots of people do it, and from a cynics point of view even the much loved and deservedly well-respected (albeit impoverished) Prince Philip “married up” to a certain extent when he became engaged to the future Queen. So what, I respectfully ask? Is it up there with being an axe murderer, or someone who eats babies? I think not!
These were IMO rather charming photos, and actually made me think, not how decadent Kate’s so-called “wild” family members are, but rather, what great fun they must be, how utterly spontaneous and joyful they look. These are the sorts of people I’d want at my black tie affairs (if I had enough money to throw any) rather then some boring old fuddy duddies.
Mrs. Middleton must really know what she is doing as a mother to have raised not one, not two, but three lovely, talented and sociable youngsters. What an asset the Middletons will be to the House of Windsor, that is for sure …
By alsgal on August 9th, 2008 at 11:35 pm
alsgal,
The social climbing accusation is more hateful garbage from the anti Kate crew. The Middletons aren’t uppercrust or aristos, but they were able to send their children to schools where they interacted with and befriended those of a different class. Kate and Pippa socialize with the sons and daughters of dukes & the landed gentry because they are well liked young women. Well, maybe some cozy up to Pippa because of Kate. Not a bad thing to be chums with the sister of the future Princess of Wales.
By lizzy on August 10th, 2008 at 12:37 am
Kate and her sister conduct themselves as if they were aristocratic, which puts death to the scourge of the word. The traditionalists among us may praise the Blood until our own runs cold. It’s all the same color and of only a few different types.
Social “climbing” is preferable to social ineptitude. How many British purebreds have proven the latter? Pippa’s boy George Percy would not be in the position he is—heir apparent to the Duke of Northumberland—if his uncle had not come up short of the mark.
Look it up. Not all these Dukes and Earls are worthy of the status the System bestows upon them. Kate, Pippa, and James do much better, certainly no worse, than most of them. Perhaps it’s because the Middletons have earned their keep, not merely inherited it, and, as in some cases, shamed or squandered it.
By Dan on August 10th, 2008 at 1:06 am
Oh heavens, I had forgotten about the very flamboyant Harry Percy but you do make a very valid point, Dan.
I do get the feeling the Middletons could show the so-called aristocracy about proper decorum and how to conduct oneself socially — they seem well-aware of the p’s and q’s and how to behave with dignity. Certainly they’ve never put a well-manicured foot wrong, even the adorable James whilst shod in a pair of women’s pumps. Let’s hope they were Manolos at least!
(And I only tease about that in the friendliest sort of way, he is such a handsome young man, so lively and obviously full of fun. I must admit the thought of a James Middleton/Princess Beatrice pairing has tickled me pink. I musn’t get ahead of myself here though, but let’s hope that he too, makes a good match, and if she happens to be a Royal, then no harm done.)
By alsgal on August 10th, 2008 at 1:33 am
Again, Dan, England is not America. William of Normandy created a class structure that’s still with us today — in 58 years it will be 1000 years old.
In Scotland, they’re all “Jock Tampson’s bairns,” i.e. the same.
In England, you can still discern Norman, Saxon and Celtic regions, and each has its place in the class structure. It may be unconscious these days, but believe me, it’s still very much with us.
By John on August 10th, 2008 at 11:05 am
I am a longtime lurker and fan of RA –but I must throw in my 2 cents now…
I, as a mid-20 something, find nothing wrong with Pippa’s and James’s pictures, because surely, those are the sorts of parties we had when I was in college! However, if we cannot “judge” Pippa and James for these pictures, how could one also judge Chelsy Davy so harshly as needing to “know better” than to allow private pictures of herself out on the internet? Frankly, Chelsy should be allowed the same slack and courtesy as Pippa and James –after all, they are all young people having a good time!
By Royal Fan on August 10th, 2008 at 6:41 pm
And you defend it, John? Well, good on you. Now let on to your aristocrats that they’re supposed to be better than the rest! They certainly don’t look like they know it.
You Classfolk love your systems, yet you sit back on your thousand years to justify them. What have you done for us lately?
By Dan on August 11th, 2008 at 1:09 am
Has anyone seen the pics on DM of PW and KM on the boat and wakeboarding? PW is wearing his famous hot tamale shorts! lol If these pics are new they looks super happy.
By Dally on August 11th, 2008 at 2:02 am
I am so glued to the Olympics TV coverage that I hardly know what else is happening outside Beijing!
By Gigi on August 11th, 2008 at 12:25 pm
Dan, if you read my comment you’ll see I neither defend nor condemn the class structure. It’s here, we live with it. End of story.
By John on August 11th, 2008 at 12:38 pm
Dally, the pics are new and they do look like they’re having a great time.
Or rather HAD a great time. They were due back in Britain yesterday, Sunday. We may see them next at Balmoral.
By John on August 11th, 2008 at 12:40 pm
Incidentally, this is the one-week window of opportunity for a surprise engagement announcement. We have our ears pricked for distant tom-tom drums.
By John on August 11th, 2008 at 12:42 pm
Oh John that would be very exciting. I’m happy for them either way.
By Dally on August 11th, 2008 at 12:45 pm
You’re right, Royal Fan, although I think Chelsy’s pics were a little more racy than the Middletons’ — if I remember them correctly.
The answer surely is for people in the public eye, and on its fringes, to avoid being pictured when “having a good time.” It’s amazing how even innocent snapshots can be misinterpreted, especially by the hate squads.
By John on August 11th, 2008 at 2:51 pm
In that case, I shall watch the Olympics on TV while seated at the computer with Royal Anecdotes on the monitor screen!
I shall be “refeshing” with semi-hysterical regularity! 
We are living through a parched and grueling August here, in our 46th day of 100 degree temperatures, and virtually no rain, but that will be of no consequence at all if the Royal Engagement is announced!!! 
By Gigi on August 11th, 2008 at 3:15 pm
It’s a shame that we live in a day and age when even private citizens private activities are “out there” for all to pass judgement on. It is a shame some of their friends have been a bit naive with sharing photos, but how were they to know this breach of privacy and trust would occur? Sadly, I guess they know now.
I refuse to pass judgement on what Kate, Pippa, Chelsy, etc. do on their own time because they are private citizens and and are not paid for but anyone except their parents, who have the right to support them in whichever way they wish.
After all, Kate and Pippa are the Middleton’s children, not mine.
As charming as some of those photos are, I prefer not to participate in things like Facebook as I believe it’s not fair to encroach upon other people’s privacy. That’s just me, though. To each his own, and let’s hope that Kate, Pippa, etc. have learned which friends they can trust.
In poor Kate’s case, I’m afraid this trust issue will be one that will plague her until she’s buried at the Abbey. (And mark my words, she will be buried at the Abbey, as befitting her status as the Queen Consort.)
By alsgal on August 11th, 2008 at 3:24 pm
So, Gigi - for those of us at work…anything interesting on the olympics? Since the site is quiet today…or is John preparing another topic to get us going
I was happy for KM and PW to have a private holiday but I have to admit…I was not sad to see photos of them having a good time. And isn’t she quite the athlete? I would break my neck if I were to try boogie boarding!
By Julie on August 11th, 2008 at 5:35 pm
Gigi, we’ve had nothing but rain for months here, and the temperatures are so cool the automatic heating is kicking in. I can’t remember such a dismal summer.
But, if there is a big announcement, the weather will be forgotten.
By John on August 11th, 2008 at 5:35 pm
Boogie boarding? We call it water skiing over here.
It’s a very slow news month, Julie, with everyone on holiday. Unless, of course … … …
By John on August 11th, 2008 at 5:38 pm
BUNTE has some photos of PW and KM in the boat and it appears that some of KM’s family were along for the “ride!” I believe I see sister and mother, and perhaps, brother.
By Kathryn Capps on August 11th, 2008 at 6:07 pm
Hm, the one photo showed what I thought was a boogie board (which I have to admit I do not KNOW only that an article I saw mentioned boogie board???) I have waterskied and it’s fun but it’s been a while…since my husband took a fish as big as me out of the lake…then I decided it was not for me!)
As for the other….fingers and toes crossed!!! Would they do that when the world is watching the Olympics?
By Julie on August 11th, 2008 at 6:09 pm
Ok, honesty time…it was not really as big as me…about a meter long and that was big enough to make me not want to go in the water!
By Julie on August 11th, 2008 at 6:11 pm
John,
Do you happen to know if any of the Royals are scheduled to go to the Olympics?
By alsgal on August 11th, 2008 at 6:15 pm
I wondered that, also, alsgal. So far we have seen Crown Prince Willem-Alexander and Crown Princess Maxima of the Netherlands, Prince Albert of Monaco, Vladimir Putin of Russia, (whom I would love to snarl at right now because of the havoc he is wreaking in Georgia), Henry and Nancy Kissinger, President George W. Bush and First Lady Laura Bush with their daughter Barbara and President George Herbert Walker Bush and his daughter Doro, and Crown Prince Frederick of Denmark. If there are more Royals at the Olympics, I have not seen photographs nor have I seen mention of them in the news. I really would love to see one or more of the British Royal Family go to Beijing to support their team. However, if the choice is go to Beijing or announce the Royal Engagement, I say choose the latter!!
Last night’s men’s freestyle relay race was so exciting and so historic that I am still excited about the USA winning gold!! Olympic tennis matches were on this morning, but nothing earth-shattering. Coverage resumes this evening, when I shall super glue myself to the TV. 
If the Royal Engagement is announced, I shall shriek far louder and far longer than Michael Phelps did when his relay team won gold, I shall assure you! Earplugs at the ready, all you dear RAers! 
By Gigi on August 11th, 2008 at 7:25 pm
He was excited, wasn’t he
Maybe a little bit!
By Julie on August 11th, 2008 at 7:32 pm
Isn’t Princess Anne in Bejing? I thought I saw a pic of her there…
By Isana on August 11th, 2008 at 7:48 pm
Isana, I think I saw her too - I think while England’s team was walking in during the Opening Ceremony they showed a picture of her waving them on.
John, all your winking and grinning faces are getting me terribly excited… I hope they make an engagement announcement soon!
By Blondie on August 11th, 2008 at 8:47 pm
The Court Circular listed the Princess Royal as present “at the Olympics in Hong Kong.”
By Robert on August 11th, 2008 at 9:34 pm
Hong Kong? That is a great distance from Beijing. Hong Kong is a seaport on the South China Sea. Beijing is a city much farther north. I wonder if the equestrian events being staged in Hong Kong, because I imagine that the Princess Royal’s main focus will be on the equestrian events.
By Gigi on August 11th, 2008 at 10:01 pm
The equestrian events are being held in Hong Kong.
Also, the Princess Royal would be at the games as a member of the IOC.
By Robert on August 11th, 2008 at 10:33 pm
I did see the Princess Royal on TV during the opening ceremonies. They were showing the royals and other world dignitaries. It struck me how regal she looked. Gigi, I certainly hope that the weather breaks where you live. John, have you gotten wind of any news conferences to be held or airplanes with William and Kate going north to Scotland? Please keep listening for those drums. Thanks!!!
By kat on August 11th, 2008 at 10:41 pm
According to the Xinhua News Agency, in China, Princess Anne Elizabeth Alice Louise arrived in Beijing for the Olympics on August 4, 2008. No photograph with the announcement, however.
By Gigi on August 11th, 2008 at 11:39 pm
I had thought there wouldn’t be an announcement until after the birthday celebrations for Prince Charles in November.
By lizzy on August 12th, 2008 at 3:23 am
from the Court Circular:
Buckingham Palace
11th August, 2008
The Princess Royal, accompanied by Vice Admiral Timothy Laurence, today carried out the following engagements.
Her Royal Highness, Member, International Olympic Committee, this morning attended the XXIX Olympic Games in Hong Kong, China.
The Princess Royal, President, Riding for the Disabled Association, today visited Tuen Mun Public Riding School, Lung Mun Road, Tuen Mun, Hong Kong.
Her Royal Highness this afternoon visited the British Council, 3 Supreme Court Road, Admiralty, Hong Kong, to mark its Sixtieth Anniversary, and was received by Her Majesty’s Consul-General for Hong Kong (Mr. Andrew Seaton).
The Princess Royal this evening attended the Hong Kong Branch of the Royal Over-Seas League Reception at the China Club, Old Bank of China Building, Central, Hong Kong.
By Robert on August 12th, 2008 at 5:20 am
I had thought there wouldn’t be an announcement until after the birthday celebrations for Prince Charles in November.
Lizzy, it’s a long shot that they will. It’s a rare window of opportunity, that’s all. But I don’t think Charles’s birthday would interfere too much with an early announcement.
By John on August 12th, 2008 at 8:51 am
They may wish to avoid announcing the engagement in August entirely, John, because August 31st is Princess Diana’s death anniversary. Also, they may be waiting until after the Olympics are over and the media recover their equilibrium, if such a thing is possible.
Regarding Charles, I do not think he will wish to share the limelight on his birthday, as he does not share well in any case. The timing of this announcement is quite problematic!
By Gigi on August 12th, 2008 at 11:41 am
Having read that so many believe the engagement is a “sure thing” I’m thinking…how tough that would be to be “engaged” but not be able to talk about it, celebrate with your family and friends…wear a ring! I suppose they have an “agreement” at this point rather than an engagement but still…
I just remember how excited I was and I wanted to shout from the rooftops…but maybe they are just enjoying the private sweet love before the world is allowed to join the party?
I sure am glad for the Olympics to keep me somewhat distracted.
By Julie on August 12th, 2008 at 1:10 pm
Gigi, my reading of William’s character is that, unlike Harry, he prefers to keep everything as low-key as possible. A Balmoral announcement in August, when most people are away, and during the Olympics, might just suit him very well.
His mother’s anniversary is three weeks away and his father’s birthday three months. I don’t think either would hinder an announcement this week.
It remains a long shot, though, but it’s still a window.
By John on August 12th, 2008 at 1:27 pm
I think it’s a stretch to say nothing will ever happen in August because it’s the month in which Diana died. Her memory is cherished by her children, to be sure, but I don’t believe they are prisoners to it.
More likely August is a quiet month because everyone is on vacation. Probably the last thing the Family wants to do now is trade summer tranquility for a media circus. My bet is that William will get his military career firmly and finally under his belt before inviting the press to declare open warfare on him and his fiancée.
By Dan on August 12th, 2008 at 1:29 pm
John, I am beginning to think this window of opportunity is starting to close and it is making me very disppointed to say the least. If this fails to transpire, I might expire, or at least experience a mild depression come end of August, when the Olympic hoopla has died down and all we have to look forward to is the sight of Mr. Ed (aka Camilla) in a tartan at the Braemar Games.
I did notice one little line in some of the Mustique coverage — about W&K spending only one week on Mustique “although William has a few more weeks off.” So, that is giving me some hope they might be practising the calligraphy down at BP whilst our loved-up duo is safely up North.
I almost think Balmoral would be the perfect place to announce the engagement, as Kate will be better protected from the excitement afterwards in the safety of the Highlands. It would almost provide a “cooling off” of sorts for the rapacious press.
By alsgal on August 12th, 2008 at 4:32 pm
I agree that an announcement while they are secure at Balmoral would be preferable for Kate than to have to dodge the media hordes in her parents’ driveway in Bucklebury. Still, she’ll have to go home sometime, unless they put her up at the Palace once the announcement is made.
Didn’t Diana move in after the announcement? It was during the weeks of engagement rumors that she endured the drive-by cameras that Kate has already experienced.
By Dan on August 12th, 2008 at 4:42 pm
alsgal,
Boy, tell us how you really feel about Camilla! I sometimes feel a little sorry for her. Charles and his aides could have done a better job with her after the wedding to show the British public who Camilla really is and what her passions are. Then again the duchess may not mind the way things are now. Royal watchers often say she’s just a country woman who likes riding her horses and having the odd drink.
By lizzy on August 12th, 2008 at 7:49 pm
I also agree that Balmoral would be a great place for William and Kate to make their announcement, but I have the feeling that Dan was right when he said William will probably get his military career under his belt before inviting the press to declare open warfare on him and Kate.
I actually feel the same way that alsgal does, but I’ve already made myself accept the idea that there won’t be an announcement this year. I think we’ll get an announcement sometime next year. I would be pleased if it happened in January or February, and then they had a lovely May or June wedding!
Btw John, please feel free to email me if you have any information for me.
By mapleleaf on August 12th, 2008 at 8:01 pm
For the record, I like Camilla. I would prefer that the marriage with Diana had been happier—and that both parties had survived and withstood it—but in lieu of that, I think Camilla’s done well, that she’s DTE (”down to earth,” as all the quotes from folk on the Prince’s website attest) and I think she’s got some savvy too.
Like her or not, but in the end, a happily married King is preferable to the endless private and public strife wrought by the alternative.
By Dan on August 13th, 2008 at 2:13 am
I still feel that John’s instincts, which have been so right so many times in the past, are on the mark. I am not going to hold my breath because all my oxygen is pledged to the Olympic events, but I am very much hoping for an August announcement of the Royal Engagement. It is the highest time. Right now I have my toes and fingers crossed and am turning blue holding my breath over the USA girls gymnasts on the balance beam. I assure you, I look very peculiar!
By Gigi on August 13th, 2008 at 3:52 am
Well, Gigi, my instincts are in four minds about this one. The fact is, it has to happen some time and it will probably take us by surprise.
All I’ve done is to point out that there’s a window while they’re all up in the Highlands. That window is shortened by the Diana date on the 31st and William resuming military life in September.
Logically, Christmas would be the next window, but that would depend on whether William will be serving over the holidays, as Harry did last year.
February then looms into view as the most likely next date. It would shorten the engagement period and the time when Kate would have to go into purdah under Royal protection, presumably by living in one of the Palaces — she’s known not to fancy that too much, especially in the light of Diana’s experiences.
So my instinct says February, I merely highlight a “window”.
By John on August 13th, 2008 at 8:59 am
Dan, I agree with you about Camilla — a much misunderstood woman (as the Queen said).
By John on August 13th, 2008 at 9:02 am
The Queen Mother, who was the closest person to Charles as an emotional support system, loathed Camilla and totally and emphatically disapproved of her presence in Charles’ life. Of course, the Queen Mother had zero tolerance for women who choose to be interlopers in the marriages of others and who could blame her? Wallis Simpson caused a great deal of damage to the lives of the Royal Family, for which the Queen Mother and Queen Mary never forgave her.
By Gigi on August 15th, 2008 at 6:21 pm