Kate Middleton and William engagement soon
There are strongly positive noises coming from Clarence House on the love(ish) match between Prince William and Kate Middleton — the girl who won’t go away.
A Clarence House insider said: “Kate being given a pass to Clarence House is a very clear and practical step towards putting her relationship with Prince William on a more official footing. It’s a logistical way of bringing her into the fold. Things are a lot more imminent than you understand. Plans for William and Kate have been ring-fenced.”
“Ring-fenced” is certainly a step up from “pencilled-in”, the last phrase we heard from Palace sources on this matter. Since then, the couple have gone through a series of ups and downs, ons and offs and general confusion.
The words, “Things are a lot more imminent than you understand.” strongly suggests an announcement of their engagement very soon, perhaps as soon as they have returned from the Seychelles.
I can’t remember such openness from senior Palace sources before. We must now expect a third engagement among the Queen’s grandchildren in short order. And there’s also Zara waiting in the wings until after the Beijing Olympic Games in 2008.
It looks like wedding cake is going to feature on every Royal menu for the next year.
Well, despite all these positive signs, I dont support Kate anymore. She is fake, she joined the Sisterhood while knowing she will have to drop it anyway because she planned to go on holidays with her sweetheart, it’s too hypocritical for me. Her hard partying was a way to send desperate calls to Wills, hey Im still alive dont forget me, this behavior was a way to urge him to ask, because her bad press has bad repercussions on him too. She was teasing people. She is always all smiles going out from these clubs, but when she brings her trash bags out or something then Miss has her victim face. Nor clubbing nor the trash bags have a journalistic interest. So when she wanted her lawyers to intervene then she should have asked them to do something with the clubs too.
I support the current Queen and agree with her. Im perplexed about Kate and I disagree about a marriage. My support for Kate during all these months was a complete waste of time. I was baptized in the Church of England and I just cant believe that the consort of the future head of this Church has shown her knickers, is lazy and is desperate for ambition only. Im already disappointed by Wills who is seems to be interested only in boozing, holidays and parties so now it’s too much for me. The new young Windsor generation will marry commoners only. Good because it’s love but Im wondering why a “royal” family. Let’s be honest, he will marry her because no one except her wants desperately the job and he didnt find someone else. Then at least one of these 2 will be happy. Of course there is worse than Kate, but he could find better. Wills, ring off this telephone and move on. Well anyway I wont take part in the royal anecdotes’s royal menu next year Im afraid, but it was very funny to create it along this year.
By Lilyfromfrance on August 20th, 2007 at 10:20 am
Why not? Are you leaving us, Lily?
By John on August 20th, 2007 at 10:24 am
Well I guess I had my time here, John. The frenzy of a new engagement announcement wont leave until it does happen or until Wills is seen with an other girl. As I said I dont support Kate anymore so Im not going to post negative comments about her here until something does happen. It’s not good for the soul and it would annoy people in the end
By Lilyfromfrance on August 20th, 2007 at 10:31 am
Lily, don’t go. I can see you are disillusioned at the moment and i understand that being negative is bad for the soul. Your points about Kate are valid but as you have said before they are only young (as you are!) and she is entitled to make mistakes.
It is easier for us to look at the broad picture of Kates life but she is merely trying to live it and while i agree she has made mistakes recently I don’t believe that there is any master plan beyond marrying William and you know alot of women, dare i say it most women, want to marry the man they love and do what they can to that end. Its just that most womens strategems are not exposed for the world to see and critique.
So don’t go, treat it as a friend who as let you down but you don’t want to lose forever. You would be missed here
By Eliza on August 20th, 2007 at 10:51 am
Aww. Thank you Eliza! I think I need to take a rest far away from the “royals”. It was never encroaching on my life before and since 3 nights Im dreaming about them. To be honest I prefer dreaming about me dying because of a tsunami than dreaming about them. But thank you very much for your kind comment
By Lilyfromfrance on August 20th, 2007 at 11:10 am
Lily why leave just because you don’t support Kate. No one knows the real status of this relationship. Before their split there were always a photograph of them together, Now they are supposedly back together and their are not one photograph of them. I think CH are putting out these stories purely for Williams image particularly now that Peter Phillips is engaged. Why not wait and see what unfolds.
By Trudie on August 20th, 2007 at 11:12 am
I sometimes feel like that too, Lily.
But then things suddenly get interesting again.
I agree it would be great to see someone with the grace of the young Queen Mother coming into the scene, but people like that don’t seem to exist any more. Alas!
Aren’t you off to the Canaries soon? If so, you’ll come back less jaded and raring to write about Kate again. Mark my words.
By John on August 20th, 2007 at 11:17 am
Trudie, Im bored of these 2 thats all. Im bored of her trying to create an image, and bored of him with his doubts and hesitations. To paraphrasing Wills about the split: “the fun has gone”. Ofcourse I cant do anything but wait, but between now and a break or an engagement announcement, months, or even years can pass and it would be a waste of time to write negative comments, who wants to hear such things. I just dont want to annoy anybody thats all. And I really need a nap
By Lilyfromfrance on August 20th, 2007 at 11:22 am
Ah ah John. Im going to the Canaries next Thursday. I dont know if I would still want to write about Kate again, but who knows! Thank you for your kind words by the way.
By Lilyfromfrance on August 20th, 2007 at 11:25 am
It will be a big mistake for William to get married. As far as Eliza said, any woman will do anything to marry the man she loves is true in a way. But Kate has only shown us that she is in love with the lifestyle and parties, not with William. Something about Kate seems fake to me. I really don’t care for a party queen. I’m getting tired with William since he can’t make up his mind about her. He shoul take advice from her grandmother.
My favorite royals now are Harry and Chelsy.
By Marilyn on August 20th, 2007 at 12:00 pm
My suspicion is that William probably commented to Kate during their breakup that she needs to be more relaxed like Chelsy. Her going out was a message to him. Remember, she wouldn’t do anything against him if she still wanted a chance with him. Also, I wouldn’t be surprised if the bad press on her was aimed to make her realize that the press is not your friend. That lesson might help her to step out of the spotlight. I bet she will change her tune (not much clubbing) when she returns from the trip. That will be the biggest indicator of their engagement.
Lily, don’t leave! It will always be up and down with the royals. Isn’t that why we read about them? I am just happy that my life is more calm than theirs!
By Cate on August 20th, 2007 at 1:17 pm
Hi everybody! hi Lily !
I am so tired as you! but your remarks are always so pertinent that I will be so disappointed not to read them whem I come!
You are true about kate, I feel the same, as a clairvoyant it’s what I saw the first time I saw her face.
she will not be a good consort, and a good queen; she will not have a very good influence on William and that marriage will certainly end with a divorce; william should be patient because he should meet another girl more suited to that role and more true in her love for him and in her love for Britain and the World, that’s what I saw for him in the future, but Kate is making very big pressure and she has a good knowledge of his weaknesses, I don’t understand the Queen, she has the intuition that this relationship is not good at long term, but they want to let him making a choice that I think he is not able to make alone, in fact breaking off with Kate.
I would be so sorry for him if he get married now because i still know that it is a wrong choice, despite the beautiful appearance of the girl!
And it’s not true! I saw a girl in the world love him truely, and is suited for the job, but he has not met her yet; i’ve tried to see how she looks like but the images are blurred, I just know that if they get married it will be one the most popular monarchs UK has never had!
By serenity on August 20th, 2007 at 1:55 pm
Lily I hope you don’t leave, I’ve enjoyed reading your posts and seeing your thoughts on these matters. I understand you’re disillusioned with Prince William and his uncertain relationship with Kate Middleton, but I think Eliza is right when she says they are only young. I think it would help to remember that no one is either as wonderful OR as awful as the press would have us to believe.
Kate Middleton has had a great run with the press only commenting on her good side, now they are commenting on her bad side. I believe that it will all even out eventually. If Prince William likes her so much, then there is something about her that is worthy to be liked. I think things are not as bad as they seem right now.
By mapleleaf on August 20th, 2007 at 1:55 pm
I also want to comment that I don’t believe the engagement statements regarding Prince William that are being printed out right now. I do believe that he is on holiday with Ms. Middleton, but I don’t think they are engaged yet, or even going to get engaged this soon. I think that Prince Harry is ahead of his big brother with regards to an engagement decision. I think that with Prince William, it’s best to just wait and see.
By mapleleaf on August 20th, 2007 at 2:26 pm
I have been reading what you guys are saying on this subject and I don’t believe they will be engaged when they get back but their future is looking very bright. I have also read Lilyfromfrance comments and I think that she takes all of this too seriously. There is no reason for people to get all upset over someone’s relationship. William & Kate are doing what they have to do to be happy. Weather they stay companions for a long time, get married or just decide to go their seperate ways, it’s their choice.
By Claudius on August 20th, 2007 at 2:40 pm
This may just be best foot forward in terms of press. As John once said, Prince William may really require the stability Kate has given his life. Prince Charles is willing to let everyone believe there is much more to the relationship to protect Prince William’s reputation. And Kate is willing to continue on being a form of stability. She does enjoy many perks. This may not be the best way of handling the situation for Prince William but, when has Prince Charles ever really handled the women in his own life well?
The Queen’s words concerning Kate just the week before are too strong to be overlooked. They may have been part of the battling courtiers and Clarence House won.
By Mrs. Peperium on August 20th, 2007 at 3:11 pm
Mrs Peperium, I think you’re right. The Queen and her undoubted anxieties about this match will be the deciding factor here. She may, of course, have been talked round by William or her own courtiers. Kate is more stable than Diana was and won’t go off the rails. She could be William’s “rock”. The Queen understands that more than most. She saw what her mother did for her father, George VI.
But if she remains adamant that Kate is wrong, I doubt William will go ahead with it, stubborn though he is. Clarence House is pushing this story because it knows William’s mind. It may be that the Queen has already relented.
The next moves will be crucial.
By John on August 20th, 2007 at 3:21 pm
Sweet Lily, don’t leave our RA site! We shall all be less if you go. Have a lovely vacation in the Islands and when you come home, do join us again or we shall be quite forlorn without you. You do like Peter Phillips and his intended, Autumn, so at least it will be fun for you to post during their wedding!
By Gigi on August 20th, 2007 at 3:24 pm
Well it’s nice to see that my comments are not lost in the tide of millions of comments posted everyday on forums and that there are people somewhere who like to read mine with some attention. Thank you very much. Merci!
Claudius, Lilyfromfrance doesnt “take all of it too seriously”. My business doesnt run on these 2. But you may be right in a sense, Im getting too involved, as it’s holiday and Im doing nothing special at the moment. You know, when you believe in something high, even if they burp and fart, you want the best for it. If he marries Kate, then I will be very disappointed, I will stop reading articles about them and life will goes on, Im not going to have a nervous breakdown or something.
I think what William likes in Kate is her reliability and thats all. I dont want to see another royal marriage to be dissipated when Wills will have his “midlife crisis”, because he will realise it was an error. Im still convinced that this trip is a way to show that he is giving his relationship a very last chance, it may be finished since ages. Too many informations are leaked about it. It’s too good to be true. It’s not William’s style. But when you see the opposite everywhere, it’s incomprehensible. And most importantly I cant see the Queen patently being against a marriage and showing her doubts if an engagement or something like that was imminent. Would be the Queen suddenly dumb for being against her potential future grand daugther in law before the marriage? No. It’s a point of no return, it should be clear, either he marries the girl or he must let her go now. But this girl wont never let him go. It’s not against Kate, it’s just the things are dragging along and Im bored.
Gigi, you’re the sweetest thing. Thank you.
By Lilyfromfrance on August 20th, 2007 at 3:35 pm
Excuse me John but Kate may be more stable than Diana but William is not bringing a mistress into this relationship, unlike his father and deceiving her at everyturn. Diana was not off the rails she brought more to the royal family than the establishment and journalist give her credit for. Diana fought for her marriage and naively thought once she and Charles married Camilla would fade away unfortunatly for her not only did her in-laws turn a blind eye to Charles but people she thought were friends provided the safe houses. If she was off the rails it was because she was pushed by the very people she should have been able to trust. So please stop bashing Diana and start putting the blame where it rightfully belongs.
By Trudie on August 20th, 2007 at 3:38 pm
John,
Why do you judge Diana so harshly?
By kit on August 20th, 2007 at 3:45 pm
Trudie, lots of people are saying William shouldn’t marry until he’s 30, but at that age he will have a past, as Charles did at 32. He’ll need someone to be very comfortable with lots of old, friendly girlfriends if the marriage is to work. Diana was steeped in Barbara Cartland romances and became obsessive about Tiggy as well as Camilla and others. Life isn”t like a Cartland romance, though.
By John on August 20th, 2007 at 3:49 pm
Why is everyone so down on Kate Middleton? I think she is a beautiful girl in love with a man who happens to be a prince! The real problem is trying to have a relationship under the prying eyes of the relentless press. Any of us who would be scrutenized on a daily baisis in the press, with cameras constantly pointed at us, would come off badly at some time or another. And lets not forget, Kate not only has the press to deal with but “The Palace” as well. After what Fergie and the late Princess Diana went through with “the grey suits,” Kate should be admired for staying with William and not running for the hills! If they are to become engaged, so be it. Only they know how they truly feel about one another.
By Arthur on August 20th, 2007 at 3:52 pm
Look up the word “harsh”, Kit. I view her quite benignly and with sympathy, but Charles found her emotional mood swings and demands suffocating. I can sympathize with that too.
By John on August 20th, 2007 at 3:55 pm
Trudie, I agree with you 100%. Diana was a young twenty year old in love with a selfish, self centered, momma’s boy. Any new bride, who found out her new husband brought a picture of his mistress on the honeymoon and wore intimate jewelry from the mistress in fornt of her (cuff links with the letter “C” intertwined”) would have had a nervous breakdown. Diana quickly found out that she was entombed in a loveless marriage within the confines of a cold, unfeeling, family, the Windsors. One only needs to look at how the “saintly” Queen Mother treated the Duchess of Windsor to know the true character of the Windsors. Neither the Queen Mum, nor Queen Elizabeth II had do deal with cheating husbands, so let them not cast the first stones. John, you are wrong to criticize Diana the way you did, I’m certain things would have turned out much differently for Diana if Prince Charles had been more like his son William.
By Arthur on August 20th, 2007 at 4:14 pm
Arthur, I’ve not “criticized” Diana, merely described her “in the round”. There was fault on both sides in that marriage. It was far from black and white. In fact, as many people have said, it was never going to work because they were so unsuited to each other.
By John on August 20th, 2007 at 4:21 pm
John, there may have been fault on both sides, but I will always belive that Diana would be alive today, if she had been treated differently by Charles and the Royal family. Diana paid the ultimate sacriface for naively embarking on that farce of a marriage.
By Arthur on August 20th, 2007 at 4:34 pm
And both had their doubts in the beginning. But it’s water under the bridge now. After August 31, let’s hope we can move on.
By John on August 20th, 2007 at 4:38 pm
Hmm. And John, why is it necessary to slander Diana to be sympathetic to Charles? She suffered with depression and bulimia. It just don’t think it’s fair to dismiss a dead woman as “unstable”.
I know she had faults, as do we all.
By kit on August 20th, 2007 at 4:41 pm
And where have I “slandered her”? Be specific.
By John on August 20th, 2007 at 4:53 pm
Well…perhaps an accusation of slander for instability was unfair on my part.
There again, I remember one post where someone said she had Borderline Personality Disorder. Rather than point out that *that* was slanderous, you just agreed with it. But you probably don’t remember now. I should have said something at the time, rather than raise it now.
By kit on August 20th, 2007 at 5:12 pm
Kit, Borderline Personality Disorder refers to a lot of minor things, like shyness. It’s not a slander. And I actually said that “Kate was more stable than Diana”. That’s not the same as saying she was “unstable”, just that people differ in their stability.
By John on August 20th, 2007 at 5:19 pm
Ok. I’m sorry if I jumped the gun. There again, maybe Diana had it harder than Kate has had up to now? Who knows?
As far as I know, BPD is actually a very specific and serious condition, and it can only be diagnosed by a qualified physician, although its existence is contested.
By kit on August 20th, 2007 at 5:26 pm
Well, it’s not borderline for nothing.
Germaine Greer has just called Diana “a devious moron”. Now that is close to slander.
By John on August 20th, 2007 at 5:32 pm
I’d say it *was* slander.
Greer was largely ignored, from what I can gather.
By kit on August 20th, 2007 at 5:42 pm
It is natural to feel exasperated with the whole fiasco. The media bombard us with this circus everyday and we naturally form an opinion on the matter. The engagement speculation is nothing new - it has been perpetuated by the media for years. ‘Sources’ are constantly feeding the engagement rumours and this latest story is just a continuation of the same old same. News of Kate being issued with a pass to CH could be nothing more that a revised security exercise or perhaps an update to a pass she already held. Lets not get too carried away with this story. The latest engagement rumour is a direct result of one ‘source’ saying “things are a lot more imminent than you understand…..plans for William and Kate have been ring fencedâ€. This quote does not exclusively refer to the imminence of an engagement, rather it is more open ended than that using the words ‘things and ‘plans’. Notice the absence of the word ‘engagement‘. There is no clear direction or meaning with the use of these words , they could denote anything. The space (……) afforded between these comments seems to indicate that the two quotes are not directly connected or, at the very least, spoken in the order printed. Furthermore, the absence of the question to which this quote is supposedly given also affects it’s authenticity on the whole. There is no obvious reference to an engagement, it is the media who have created such a specific link. The media are notorious for twisting and manipulating material and this particular quote seems to be constructed in such a way as to create this angle. Kate may very well be on holiday with William but no-one can, as yet, confirm whether or not this is the romantic one on one getaway that is being touted or in fact a group holiday of which Kate is simply a part. William has never openly demonstrated the surety of his love for Kate and the rumours of his uncertainty when confiding in the Queen do not bode well for any long term union. The relationship has struggled too much during the early stages to survive marriage. The Queen is more than capable of exercising some wisdom and foresight and if she has worries over a reconciliation I am sure they are well founded. I feel HM should certainly have cause for concern where Kate Middleton is concerned as she seems determined to secure a place in the monarchy at any cost. Should she ever achieve this, her hunger for publicity will surely escalate as will her skills in press manipulation. JMO.
By Bella on August 20th, 2007 at 5:42 pm
Anyone who listens to anything Germaine Greer says has serious problems of their own! Trudie, I agree with you. In my opinion, the blame for the failure of the marriage between Princess Diana and Charles lies squarely on Charles. Princess Diana fell in love with Charles and made her marriage in good faith, a faith that Charles never once shared nor intended to keep. He blasphemed at the altar when he made his wedding vows and treated Princess Diana abominably throughout the years of their union. If he should ever be called upon to take an oath on the Bible, I have no doubt the Holy Writ shall recoil and leap from his hands. As for Princess Diana being “unstable”–malarky! Any young girl, as Diana was then–would be traumatized to find herself trapped in a loveless marriage to a womanizing cad who deserts her to find her own way in a pit of vipers. Charles’ behavior was and is infamous. I am a lifelong supporter of the Royal Family and no one adores Queen Elizabeth II more than I, but her son Charles is a disgrace to Britain and no one has lifted a finger to curb him. The collateral damage from the long list of Charles’ sins and hedonistic lifestyle grows daily. Charles is not the first son of the Monarch to be unworthy of the title ‘Prince of Wales’, not even the first to be a disgrace to his family and Nation, but I feel strongly that he will be the last.
By Gigi on August 20th, 2007 at 5:51 pm
Bella, you’re right to feel uncertain about all this. Clarence House seems to be responding to the downbeat views expressed about the Queen’s reported opinions, not least on this site, where the most intelligent debates occur.
The holiday is for just the two of them, so is a serious exercise whichever way you view it. What catches my attention is the certainty in the CH wording. That’s new.
So I expect something new to come out of this. Either an announcement of a forthcoming engagement, or a final parting of the ways.
My money is on the engagement, but I may be wrong.
By John on August 20th, 2007 at 5:54 pm
Gigi, you express yourself forthrightly as always.
By John on August 20th, 2007 at 5:56 pm
By Gigi on August 20th, 2007 at 6:11 pm
John I will say you were right when you said they could be back on at any moment, But since we have NO real proof that they are back together, I will still maintain,until they walk on the lawn that there won’t be an official engagement , I think William’s feelings with Kate have been such an emotional roller-coaster that I just don’t think the QUEEN (Who has mixed feelings about Kate and the relationship, saying it will end in tears.) I don’t think the QUEEN will approve a marriage for William before he is about 29 years old, He seems to be an emotional roller-coaster with this lady Kate. The vacation photos of Kate at the airport also are from JULY, they are old ones, so as of yet we have not seen a vacation photo. I don’t think these two will get engaged. I don’t think the Queen who has heard her grandson Pr. William say “I DON’T LOVE HER ENOUGH” , I don’t think the QUEEN will approve and engagement yet, I think William will have to prove that he is emotionally-stable with Kate, the relationship has been like a roller-coaster. I have my doubts these two will make it to the alter, he dumps her at a moments notice and then takes her back, he’s been doing this off and on thing with her for awhile, it doesn’t bode well.
By mandy on August 20th, 2007 at 7:17 pm
William told the Queen:
William, 25, consulted with the queen and his grandfather Prince Philip before first ending his four-year relationship with the 25-year-old brunette beauty in April.
The prince reportedly felt he did not love Kate enough to marry her.
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I just don’t think the Queen would approve of a marriage for William at this point, no matter what.
By mandy on August 20th, 2007 at 7:36 pm
Mandy, unless you were at Windsor or the Palace and heard Prince William say those words to the Queen and the Duke of Edinburgh, that premise is based on a story in the media. I doubt it is very trustworthy if it’s source is a Palace courtier. Furthermore, if indeed Prince William felt he was unsure, he may feel he is sure now.
By Gigi on August 20th, 2007 at 7:59 pm
John Diana may have been steeped in Barbara Cartland novels during her teen years and I too read the romance novels during the late 70’s Diana and I are only 3 mos apart in age. That said however Charles at thirty two should have had the commonsense to A. leave his diary home or make sure the picture of Camilla removed an B. Checked his luggage to see what his valet packed and inspected it or upon discovery of those cufflinks asked for another pair. Charles also stated he was not going to be the only Prince of Wales not to have a mistress and you wonder why Diana was suspicious? Charles was wrong about POWs and mistresses his great grandfather George V was a Prince of Wales and he was faithful to Queen Mary.
By Trudie on August 20th, 2007 at 8:23 pm
I’m amazed of how much trust certain people here put in the tabloids. And how easily you believe the negative and don’t believe the positive that is written about Kate and William. I’m amazaed that people think that the journalists know what is said behind palace walls. And what the Queen and others are thinking.And that you without hesitation quote it. I’m amazed that people base their jugdement of a person from what they read in the papers, more correctly from the parts they choose to believe. I ‘m amazed that some people can spend so much time and energy on people they dislike. It’s scary. Seriously.
By daggy on August 20th, 2007 at 8:37 pm
John, I agree with you on the engagement. For many very high profile engagements, there is usually a “cooling period” just prior to the engagement announcement. I’m not in PR, but it often seems to occur. If they have been able to conduct their relationship quietly without us knowing, good for them. That is probably what they really need.
By Cate on August 20th, 2007 at 8:38 pm
Hello John! you said: “What catches my attention is the certainty in the CH wording. That’s new”.
The ’sources’ quote, however questionable, has not been made in any official capacity and so the ‘source’ cannot, in all fairness, be aligned with the official sentiments of CH. These ‘sources’ often tend to speak with an air of certainty, so I don’t think we can gain any new insight from this. Apart from that, the wording does not exclusively refer to a positive union between the two. The wording appears to be open to interpretation and could easily satisfy other potential outcomes.
Of Course, we can only surmise using the information available to us, but given the recent reports of the Queens reservations, Harry’s displeasure and Williams misgivings towards Kate, I feel this union may have reached it’s end.
By Bella on August 20th, 2007 at 9:29 pm
Daggy: I’m amazed that you still have not grasped the concept of debating!
By Bella on August 20th, 2007 at 9:38 pm
I am still of the opinion that William won’t ever get engaged to Kate, it is an opinion I’ve held since the beginning, when others said an Engagement was coming. I’m sorry I just don’t believe this relationship will ever lead to marriage…(as far as believING William said he didn’t love her enough, I do believe he said that, many press sources who usually report only glowing articles about Kate, reported his statement, Yes I believe it. As far as not liking Kate, I never said I didn’t like her, I just NEVER THOUGHT William would marry her, and I never felt she was the wonderful woman the press continues to desribe. I think Kate is a sometime partygirl, who is not Queen material. I don’t think William will marry her and I don’t think the Queen would approve of a marriage for William before he’s around 29, because he has had several breakups and reunions with Kate. The relationship does not appear to be a stable one. I still don’t think we will see an engagement, and what the press has left out is that William has been on away for three weeks in Africa without Kate, at Jecca’s, a lot is missing in these present stories, still NO Photos so it’s still al speculation. I’m also not sure William would spend that kind of money, on a vacation , it would bring criticsm spending money like that. I’ll wait for photos, or the walk on the lawn before I marry these two off yet.
CH was doing a security overhaul anyway, it has nothing to do with Kate, the press once again has sprung it that way in a desire to promote this Fairytale. I’ll wait for the official engagement that’s all.
By mandy on August 20th, 2007 at 9:45 pm
Let us all enjoy offering our own opinions here and respect the right of others to offer theirs. That is what is so fascinating about information sharing. We are exposed to viewpoints different from our own. It is 4:49pm in Texas and I am serving tea! I am sure we could all do with a cup.
By Gigi on August 20th, 2007 at 9:49 pm
I’ll have a spot of tea too Gigi, with some light sweet cookies of some sort. Hmmmmmmm.
Yes the right to all opinions here, I like John for that. He has great coverage on the events.
By mandy on August 20th, 2007 at 10:00 pm
Gigi, your absolutely right! Everyone here is entitled to their opinions and should afford respect to the expressions made by others. This is, after all, the nature of a forum. I hope [Daggy] will one day pay heed to these sentiments and learn to respect the concept of debating, surmising and theorizing without assuming that we are biased in our outlook or seeking to discuss only that which is negative.
And Mandy, I agree with your last post.
By Bella on August 20th, 2007 at 10:35 pm
Let’s say that times are different… let’s say the Queen and William’s father, Charles, are the ones who are to make the match for the Prince of Wales. Who do you think they’d choose?? Because, I think “royalty” worked better before they started marrying for “love”. Didn’t it all make more sense that they stayed above the middle and upper middle class by not marrying them?
So, who would the royals choose for their Prince?
By Dodi on August 20th, 2007 at 10:51 pm
Gigi I hope that while your serving tea your are not in any danger from Hurricane Dean!!! I don’t know where in Texas you live but hope and pray you and your family are not in it’s path.
Oh and by the way I’m at this very moment having coffee. It calms my nerves over this storm swirling around William and Kate and the will they won’t they. As much as I have been disappointed by William especially over his full embracement of the woman who ruined his mothers life. He is no Charles and I believe will marry Kate someday I just don’t see it until after he finishes his military committments. My son and his new wife broke up for a couple of months the year before their engagement and I told him pray very hard and give her time if God thinks it’s right it will happen and well you know the rest.
By Trudie on August 20th, 2007 at 10:53 pm
Dear Mandy, I am pouring your tea and we have on the tea table macaroons, bowknots, meringues, and my Great Grandmother’s special recipe, chocolate lace ice cream cookies. We almost had cream horns, but my husband finished them last evening!
Of course, to please John we have Balmoral Dundee cake, Napoleons for sweet Lily and scones with jam for the Scots among us!
Thank you for your good wishes for our safety, dear Trudie. We are in the center of the state and so are in no peril at present but we will no doubt have heavy rain and high wind when Hurricane Dean hits landfall. My son just flew back from Harlingen and we are very glad that he is here. I am also in agreement with Trudie’s wise words of maternal advice she offered her son when he needed it. Well done, Trudie! A wise, loving and attentive Mother is a matchless blessing!
By Gigi on August 20th, 2007 at 11:12 pm
Thank you sweet Gigi!!! I am so happy you and your family are out of total harms way. Those chocolate lace Ice cream cookie sound totally decadent and yummy. Darn it Gigi you have my sweet tooth watering. lol
By Trudie on August 20th, 2007 at 11:51 pm
I would vote that he marry Princess Madeline of Sweden . . . beautiful, smart, relaxed, regal and royal. . . it might take some of the “edge” off this stuffy Bristish Royal Family. They need to take it down a notch or two like their continental cousins.
I also love reading this site and commenting every now and then. From across the pond in California this is completely fascinating to watch.
By Jim on August 21st, 2007 at 3:04 am
I say we all head over to Trudie’s for tea and to meet in person! What a fun time that would be to talk in person !
By Jim on August 21st, 2007 at 3:08 am
“I’m amazed of how much trust certain people here put in the tabloids. And how easily you believe the negative and don’t believe the positive that is written about Kate and William. I’m amazaed that people think that the journalists know what is said behind palace walls. And what the Queen and others are thinking.And that you without hesitation quote it. I’m amazed that people base their jugdement of a person from what they read in the papers, more correctly from the parts they choose to believe. I ‘m amazed that some people can spend so much time and energy on people they dislike. It’s scary. Seriously.”
By daggy on August 20th, 2007 at 8:37 pm
Sorry everyone, but I totally agree with Daggy, whose comments above are an observation, and a rather keen one, and not an attack. The things that are said and alleged about the prince’s girlfriend, who has yet to open her mouth to the public, are awful, much worse in fact than what Daggy has said above. That is my opinion, to which I too have a right.
By Positive on August 21st, 2007 at 3:15 am
…to express, I should add.
By Positive on August 21st, 2007 at 3:16 am
Photo’s have been released of Kate at the island airport. if you go to
LINK you will see Kate looking like she couldn’t wait to get to the hotel with William.
By Claudius on August 21st, 2007 at 3:54 am
Daggy, the report of what was said by William to the Queen and vice versa came from Richard Kay — a longstanding Royal journalist and friend of Diana and William — who heard it from “a friend of the Queen”.
Whatever the motives of the “friend”, the words would be more or less accurate. Friends of the Queen don’t tell lies about her, or they would quickly lose their status.
By John on August 21st, 2007 at 8:53 am
Bella, you could of course be right.
However, the statement came via Rebecca English, another respected Royal watcher and was said to originate with a senior Clarence House source. That could be Paddy Harveston, Charles’s PR man, but it’s usually code for William and Harry’s Equerry, Jamie Lowther-Pinkerton, a former SAS man and thorough good egg who accompanied Kate to the Passing Out Parade. He wouldn’t spin falsehoods about the Princes.
As for the words themselves. To me they are unequivocal. They refer to Kate directly and use words like “imminent” and “ring-fenced”. No room for doubt there.
By John on August 21st, 2007 at 9:02 am
Mandy, William has now inherited his own money from his mother’s estate. He will have paid for the holiday out of his own pocket.
By John on August 21st, 2007 at 9:04 am
Daggy, we try to keep the hysterical hate-filled posters off this site because they ruin it for more stable people.
I agree with you that spitting fire and brimstone about someone you’ve never met and have never heard speak is a sign of Borderline Personality Disorder — or something worse. Most of them have fantasies about Prince William and hate it when reality breaks in on their dreams.
By John on August 21st, 2007 at 9:18 am
Jim, you’re welcome. I’m glad you enjoy the site. It’s always good to get a glimpse of Californian sunshine here in cool, wet Britain.
By John on August 21st, 2007 at 9:21 am
Exactly John, the words refer directly to Kate and William but they really don’t seem to highlight the exact nature of the plans that are “ring fenced” or “imminent” do they? I still have my doubts.
By Bella on August 21st, 2007 at 12:20 pm
I realise I’m a bit late coming into this conversation today as I am situated in the middle of the pond and do try to work sometimes. :o) I’m sorry to be doing this, but I just want to rehash one very old thing. When William and Kate allegedly broke up last Spring, I was wondering how the next day Kate was all elated smiles going out to play tennis. If my boyfriend of so many years had just broken up with me, my eyes and face would have been puffy from crying. I am of the opinion that she took it too much in stride and that they didn’t break up at all, as some have speculated. This has been nagging me, this happy go lucky girl, so, sorry to bring it up here. Has anyone read or heard anything that could underscore my suspicions? Was it all a ruse and they will strive to live happily ever after?
By Beth on August 21st, 2007 at 2:24 pm
Beth, originally I thought it was a ruse to get the press off Kate’s back, but more recent information seems to point to William genuinely getting cold feet. Later, he realized what he was missing and so they’re back together — maybe for a long time.
By John on August 21st, 2007 at 4:44 pm
Thanks, John. There is so much “cross contamination” of the facts that it’s hard to weed out anything solid. Just Kate’s whole demeanor after the split made me think she wasn’t hurting at all. More power to her then, for showing such strength. I myself would have holed up for I don’t know how long. And that’s without public scrutiny.
By Beth on August 21st, 2007 at 5:11 pm
Beth, according to friends at Tatler, it was a ruse. They may have had a row, but then decided to play out the breakup scenario to give her a break. Which worked for a while. But who really knows?
By Marie on August 23rd, 2007 at 6:47 pm
Very interesting! How DOES Tatler find out these things?
By Gigi on August 24th, 2007 at 8:32 pm
Beth, I agree with you. i think they never broke up because she seemed too happy after they supposedly broke up. or my other theory, she really doesn’t care after the break up and she is only after him for the money and status. her sister is one that wants power and money and is not afraid to say so.
By Marilyn on August 25th, 2007 at 1:58 am
They just pulled the wool over everyone’s eyes…..I bet they
had the best laugh during their love nest vacation about all
of this and how they beat the media and all of this gossip.
By Judy on August 25th, 2007 at 5:43 am
Well, Gigi and Marie, Royal Anecdotes said that all along. However, I do now believe there was an agreed cooling off period because William was uncertain what to do next. Her absence stiffened his sinews, though, and he soon went back to her.
By John on August 25th, 2007 at 8:48 am
“Very interesting! How DOES Tatler find out these things?”
At a certain point, “those people” move in a very small circle.
By Marie on August 28th, 2007 at 8:09 pm