The truth about Kate Middleton
The story of the romance between Prince William and Kate Middleton has more ups and downs than the Himalayas — all 1500 miles of them.
For those of us trying to piece together the reality of the current situation from clues let slip, or journalists’ interpretations of what they know, it’s probably impossible to tell. I doubt that either of the parties knows precisely the way it’s going at any one time either.
There are two main problems here :
1. We assume people behave or speak rationally. They don’t. Most people react to events or trends by instinct, and everyone has a different instinct. That’s why there are so many conflicting signals coming at us from the Palace, from friends, and the media.
2. News comes to us in the wrong order. Internet searches often land you on pages which may be months, or even years old. That’s why stories seem to flip-flop all over place all the time.
Taking these two factors into account, it means we’ll never get the full picture about anything so private as a relationship. So what is the “truth” about this most cloak and dagger of Royal romances?
I believe Prince William and Kate Middleton did get back together again recently, largely because William found it hard to live without that source of stability and anchorage in his life. Kate seems to be a sensible and grounded girl, even though she appears to have gone off the rails in recent weeks. Not surprising perhaps given the chaotic turn her post-university life has taken.
The second factor was the attitude of the Queen, which was leaked by a number of sources. She has clearly been dismayed by the press Kate has attracted, which was possibly deliberate to win William back. As Diana discovered, listening to girlfriends’ advice and using the media for personal ends are not always a sensible way forward in these matters.
At the moment it looks very much like a slow-motion train wreck in progress. My guess is that the negatives have finally overwhelmed the positives in this case.
I may be wrong, of course. There are undoubtedly other factors in play which are not in the public domain, and may never be.
But instinct says, this is going nowhere, although I believe if William had acted when everyone thought he would, there might well have been a Royal wedding this summer. It was that close.
Could it still be on? When you’ve descended from one Himalayan peak, there’s always another mountain to climb.
John, from what I read I feel like if I was reprimanded because of what I said yesterday. I see the words that I have used, like “instinct”, “getting nowhere” etc, and I admit that the word instinct is not a proof about anything, I started to have these weird thoughts since one week now (just look at the first sentence in my first comment posted on the article called “Kate Middleton out of Channel race” here), so thank you to let me talk as I want. But I dont want to create a fuss or something, because instinct doesnt mean anything concrete. I just react to the atmosphere sent by the Palace, I dont think that Im crazy enough for waking up in a morning and say hey things look like last February something has changed. I dont react from what I read in newspapers. I was aware of that story of nude calendar before you. And I didnt think this was the main reason for why Kate pulled it out.
My feeling is just that it is going to end, definitively. However, nothing will backup this until September. I never doubted that Wills got back to her, she is relievable and in his life since years, but I think that while they were together again the Palace played actively behind Kate’s back, and it’s going to work. Otherwise they wouldnt have let her joining the Sisterhood. Thats just what I feel. Im not going to win a prize because I was right or something. I dont try to convince anybody. Im not an editor who has to sell its papers. So we will see. I may be wrong and if I am, then I promise I will give my guenuine apologizes to Kate, even if she doesnt read me.
But I know that Im not wrong
I dont know why suddenly I would be convinced that they want to get rid of her. John, if you want me to stop talking about that, then just tell!
By Lilyfromfrance on August 14th, 2007 at 11:30 am
Lily, you got that wrong. I was actually agreeing with your arguments, just saying that people who leak stories or “friends” who talk about them, are not always rational. Sometimes they’re even drunk.
I wouldn’t want you to stop writing about this as I too agree with your “instincts” that something is going wrong here. Just trying to make sense of the confusion, that’s all.
By John on August 14th, 2007 at 11:37 am
Finally!! Someone who is thinking rationally about all the rumours. Thank you. The only thing I don’t quite agree with is that Kate is deliberately wooing the press. I think they are laying bets that they are getting pictures of the future Queen of England. The poor girl can’t walk in or out of her front door without someone taking her picture. It is sad that she couldn’t even take part in the charity race across the Channel because the press were turning it into a circus event. Of course she looks lovely in all those photos. That’s because she is and if I knew the press was constantly watching me while I was in training, I’d make sure I had my best face on, as well.
By Beth Gouvernon on August 14th, 2007 at 11:42 am
Oh I really misunderstood. Sorry. I must take a nap
By Lilyfromfrance on August 14th, 2007 at 11:45 am
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By Great Romances - Past and Present » Romance off with Kate Middleton? on August 14th, 2007 at 12:09 pm
John lets be totally honest about the situation. William is even weaker than Charles if he truly wants to marry Kate he will stand up and say this is my choice and it is non-negotiable but being the Windsor he is he has learned the ostrich technique. You’re right this is a train wreck in slow motion but I don’t think Kate has really gone off the rails yet. But blaming Kate is far more easy than for the RF to take responsibility for their inability to have any kind of human relationship.
By Trudie on August 14th, 2007 at 1:15 pm
I’m not blaming Kate, Trudie. I just think she should have kept her head down after the split.
Maybe she should talk to Camilla, who understood Charles’s frailties to a tee and was simply there for him, never demanding marriage or a Throne?
By John on August 14th, 2007 at 1:26 pm
John, I’m attempting to make sense of all of this. Kate Middleton didn’t do the calendar shoot, she isn’t going to be in the charity boat race, and she hasn’t suddenly done something wrong. Why all the negativity? My question isn’t directed towards your comments or Lily’s comments, it’s actually regarding the general atmosphere that seems to be prevailing right now.
I haven’t seen her do anything that would “put her beyond the pale”, nor has she done anything differently than she’s been doing since she started her job with Jigsaw in November 2006, other than the boat race that she’s now withdrawn from. What piece am I missing from this puzzle? I read several articles that said that Prince William was very supportive of Kate’s choice to be in the charity dragonboat race, but she still withdrew. So again, what have I missed?
By mapleleaf on August 14th, 2007 at 1:38 pm
John, I have to agree. While Kate may not be entirely off the rails yet, her behavior since the split and many of the choices she has made (vampish clothing, continual partying, the ill-judged alliance with The Sisterhood and all that) have damaged her reputation. She would have been far smarter to keep her head down and her behavior dignified and beyond reproach, as it always was, especially if she hoped to be reunited with William eventually. She’s not the girlfriend of The Spare, she’s the girlfriend of The Heir, and she’s suddenly begun to act her age. I can’t judge her for that, the young lady has been through a whirlwind of attention and strain not to mention the emotional toll of a public breakup. But its a shame that she’s let herself slip like this, that William has allowed all of this to happen to them both, because I had truly hoped he had learned something from his parents and their broken lives. As Trudie said though, he’s clearly a Windsor, through and through. We won’t see a wedding between these two now, and I hope for Kate’s sake that she has enough dignity to not “do a Camilla.”
By Leslie on August 14th, 2007 at 1:39 pm
The Queen’s intervention, Mapleleaf. She has expressed concern that Kate was becoming a media circus. It’s perceptions that count rather than actual events. The memory of Diana is still raw in the Royal household.
By John on August 14th, 2007 at 1:56 pm
Mapleleaf, just before the split, Kate hasnt done something wrong either. We all were wondering why too. If the palace wants to get rid of her, then it seems that they think it’s time. It could have been in any time. I dont believe these rubbish that Wills was supportive about the charity race, simply because it is said that he doesnt like when Kate does the show, and I hardly believe that he would be ok to see his girlfriend being photographed everyday, padding on a little boat. If he truly supported her, then I guess it was a mean trap. Have you ever heard the Queen making reservations toward Kate before? I agree with you with the fact that Kate hasnt changed anything in her life. Maybe thats the problem. She is in the business since years and appears to do nothing except partying, so do Wills and Harry, but they are already royals. I think that even if she wouldnt have took any part in the race, it was written that they would want her to disappear at a time. And they have let her doing this mistake. The story about the calendar has come up the 5/08. And suddenly everybody becomes aware the next week. They have found something, and they are just bursting on it. In my opinion Kate has been given a second chance after the split and she wasted it by her hard partying. She was blind and very naive. Wills is not here with her to support her while she has bad press since almost 1 month.
By Lilyfromfrance on August 14th, 2007 at 2:00 pm
Exactly John. I never heard the Queen make this kind of allusions before, while Kate hasnt changed anything in her life. The most surprising thing is that Ive read somewhere that the Queen wasnt aware that Wills got back to Kate (yes thats it
), and that she was dumbstruck about this. If it’s true then it tells everything.
By Lilyfromfrance on August 14th, 2007 at 2:07 pm
John, your words and attitude harken back to the glory days of the English gentleman. Thank you.
Kate is young and clearly loves her prince. Her affection for him is taking its toll, publicly. Sad.
By Mrs. Peperium on August 14th, 2007 at 2:31 pm
I smell a rat and his name is Charles. This seems to me to be the sort of absurd manipulation Charles and his gang of bully boys cook up every time Charles begins to whine that someone is stealing the spotlight from him. It seems Kate has been getting too much attention to suit Charles and Camilla and that is when they move into attack mode. Let us wait and see if William is able to perceive the danger in Charles’ ego and disallow Charles’ failings from ruining William’s happiness.
By Gigi on August 14th, 2007 at 3:07 pm
It is possible that Wills himself wants to get rid of her and asked help from CH because he may not know how to act. The whole family was ridiculised after the split. Especially Wills and Charles who were quite humilated. Remember. I guess this time they dont want to be seen as the b*****ds again.
By Lilyfromfrance on August 14th, 2007 at 3:28 pm
Do you ever get the feeling that Kate should stay out of tunnels in Paris??
By Dodi on August 14th, 2007 at 4:31 pm
Well, Dodi, only if you believe the conspiracy theories. Personally, I don’t.
By John on August 14th, 2007 at 4:48 pm
“Do you ever get the feeling that Kate should stay out of tunnels in Paris??”
LOL!! I was thinking the same thing.
By Alicia on August 14th, 2007 at 4:53 pm
It really is crunch time; if William has any honourable intentions regarding Kate he should be doing something now and if he doesn’t act quickly the writing is on the wall for her.
when i was encouraging Kate to do the boat race i had no idea it was going to turn into the circus it did. I thought she would just train and then on the day there would be pictures. Silly me!
My view as to what sent this off the rails were the photo ops, it just looked too calculating and it was going to go on for a month - too long in journalism to continue with the ‘doesn’t she look good’ pieces.
As i said previously, i can’t comprehend how somebody who never put a foot wrong in four years suddenly lost all judgment.
Either she started believing her own publicity - never a good thing or she is becoming desperate to keep William interested. Desperate times call for desperate measures after all but you should never appear panicked and unfortunately that is the way it appears.
By Eliza on August 14th, 2007 at 5:20 pm
Gigi your sense of smell is as keen as mine. C&C were always jealous of the popularity of Diana and Charles whined to friends that he wanted Diana removed from public life while publicly saying he did not want attacks on her. C&C will win in the end as they know William will please Daddy and Mummy with the help from their darling courtiers.
By Trudie on August 14th, 2007 at 5:41 pm
Such cynicism, Trudie. You haven’t been at the Long Island Iced Tea again, have you?
By John on August 14th, 2007 at 5:44 pm
Fie, John! Trudie only imbibes during tea time.
Furthermore, I agree with her. Call me delusional, but I still have hopes that Prince William is a true child of his ever-to-be-lamented Mother, Princess Diana, that he learned from witnessing her misery that he must ignore Charles’s self-serving advice and follow his own heart. If Prince William falls prey to Charles’ many failings, I shall despair, throw caution, clarity and sobriety to the four winds and Trudie and I shall tuck into the tea. (Royal Anecdotes Quelle Disastre Tea, featuring enough pitchers of Long Island Iced Tea to pickle me ten times over.)
By Gigi on August 14th, 2007 at 5:55 pm
Ha ha, Gigi, you’re a scream!
Actually, apart from Kate’s “It was his Daddy”, I’ve not heard that Prince Charles has been involved in this affair at all. It seems to be mainly the Queen and Prince Philip.
By John on August 14th, 2007 at 6:14 pm
I seem to remember that when Kate first signed up for the Sisterhood boat, some were glad that she was doing some visible charity work. Yes, the publicity aspect of it caused problems, but if you’re trying to raise money for charity, publicity is an asset.
I do agree that the plan for the race had all kinds of potential safety problems, many of which may not have been apparent when Kate signed up. I think it’s for the best that she isn’t participating. Too bad she hasn’t announced her support for the cause in some other way.
By Evelyn on August 14th, 2007 at 6:15 pm
You just dont take any part to an event that causes so much publicity if you’re nothing yet. She should have showed that she had some interests in the world of charities ofcourse, but never take an active part as long as you’re not a royal yet. The Hello cover… Kate didnt thinked about the repercussions.
Or maybe it has ended since ages and the boat race was her way to annoy them since she cant talk. Hence the word “provocation” from CH. What she was going to do was not real charity Im afraid. The Sisterhood is another group of city girls looking for a reason to be down to heart, who believe that what they do is fantastic. Yep having fun from posing for a calendar and then selling it to the biggest media group is very charitable indeed. Any girl who would like to marry a prince would know that it would be a mistake to take part in this kind of things. Well, it’s going to work, Im blaming Kate!
By Lilyfromfrance on August 14th, 2007 at 7:15 pm
My dear John, recollect! Charles pays his bully boys and obfuscators thousands of British pounds to keep his name disassociated with his nefarious schemes. He is like a bottom feeder in the aquarium. He slithers under the rocks to hide, but he is always there.
By Gigi on August 14th, 2007 at 7:27 pm
Sorry, Lily, but I don’t believe that one must be a royal before one can do charity work. Kate may not be a royal, but in my opinion, she can and should support charities with her time, her money, and her ability to encourage others to also give of themselves. I’d rather see Kate doing that than partying, shopping, and hanging on William non-stop, even if her involvement provokes a media circus.
By Evelyn on August 14th, 2007 at 7:55 pm
Ofcourse, Evelyn. I meant that Kate should not have been involved in this kind of “charity”. That just was publicity in the end. Before doing that, at least, she should have showed some interests in the charities. Kate is the girl who is waiting for a marriage with the heir so before getting strong confidence by posing for a cover she should have thinked intensively. You must show that you’re discreet and not looking for the limelight. And charity is not a thing that should be associated with narcissism. People who have a good heart and try to help people waste everything if they want to show it. It’s boasting. She was wrong on that point. Would you admire someone who gives millions to a charitable organisation but buys an advertising advert in a newspaper for telling people about it? She really should have showed that she was interested in charities before, and slowly. Not thanks to a sudden photocall. I believe that she was so afraid and tired to be compared to Diana that she didnt want to put one of her toes in the world of charities. It’s too bad.
By Lilyfromfrance on August 14th, 2007 at 8:18 pm
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By Lilyfromfrance on August 14th, 2007 at 8:32 pm
Blimey, Gigi, Charles as the Godfather? You can’t surely believe that?
By John on August 14th, 2007 at 9:08 pm
Actually, I don’t give Charles that much credit, John. Charles and I are the same age and I have followed his life experiences since I was small, reading just about everything ever written about him. Two members of my extended family have met him, years ago, and I have their firsthand testimony to consider as well. I have never in my life seen a person so selfish, so entirely egocentric, so hedonistic and so ruthless in pursuit of his own agenda, heedless of the feelings and needs of others. I find it almost impossible to believe that he is the child of the most excellent Queen Elizabeth II. One has to wonder what highbinder he takes after. I find him devoid of character, of conscience, and of credibility. I am afraid, dear John, that where Charles Windsor is concerned, you and I shall have to agree to disagree.
By Gigi on August 14th, 2007 at 10:00 pm
Well John I certainly could use a long island iced tea and yes I tend to be cynical regarding C&C. William has embraced his new MUMMY Cams so much that he has lost what Diana taught him about love. ” If you love somthing so much you need to protect it” Diana. Lets agree to disagree on this John as we all know HM is not Queen Victoria who always interfered in her children and grandchildrens lives. HM and PP prefer to let them sort it out themselves as Gigi said that is why Charles is the bottom feeder he can’t do anything without Cams and his bully boys behind him.
By Trudie on August 14th, 2007 at 10:37 pm
“Actually, apart from Kate’s “It was his Daddyâ€, I’ve not heard that Prince Charles has been involved in this affair at all. It seems to be mainly the Queen and Prince Philip.”
Quite frankly, I don’t think the Queen and Prince Philip have much to stand on as far as their success as parents - Gigi’s observations of Chucky are pretty accurate from what I can see as well. I’m not sure William stands a chance against such formidable characters such as Chucky, the Queen and PP. (I personally think Chucky has taken after Prince Philip - he’s not a very charming person…)
Again…just my humble Redneck opinion…
By On The Outside on August 14th, 2007 at 10:52 pm
I’m inclined to believe that Kate knows exactly what she’s doing at all times, meaning that she is far more cunning and calculating than most realize. Even I wasn’t as clear about it at first. I believe that she agreed to participate in the boat race knowing full well that she would drop out before the final competition. I think she figured that being involved in a charity of some sort would help her image and knowing that, purposely picked one that was very happy to sell itself and it’s organization. There are thousands of charities out there she could have chose to become involved with, however, I think something that contributed to her choosing this one, was it’s concept or openess to publicity. If she had really wanted to help a charity for herself or even to gain more respect with the RF, she could have chosen something much more low key (she also could have stayed home the day of the Hello photoshoot). This girl loves the lime light and I think recently that’s becoming more and more clear. Thinking back this seems obvious; after all, William did meet her while she was walking down a cat walk in nothing more than glorified underwear. Perhaps this should have been the first sign that Kate may stay in this relationship for other reasons than love.
By Alex on August 15th, 2007 at 12:30 am
I must say “I TOLD YOU SO”.
Had to say it.:)
By mandy on August 15th, 2007 at 1:07 am
Mandy, it’s beginning to look as if you guessed right, but when the options are Yes or No, it’s 50/50 either way.
Don’t spend all you winnings at once, this affair could yet turn around again and surprise us all.
By John on August 15th, 2007 at 7:08 am
Has anyone seen the awful picture of Kate on SAWF from yesterday. She looks drawn, tired, v.thin and absolutely fed up! Is she in despair about what is going on?
By SuffolkSim on August 15th, 2007 at 11:13 am
Ive seen the photos. And Ive seen some other photos on Youtube. She looks sullen, and it seems that she has put on weight. Some may say differents things but thats the way I can see her.
By LilyfromFrance on August 15th, 2007 at 12:31 pm
wasn’t Kate supposed to be vacationing with William by now? or have I missed something other than she’s not in a lot of people’s good books right now…..
By Chloe on August 15th, 2007 at 1:35 pm
If they are going to get a vacation at Balmoral, they better hurry. They have to be back in London for the Memorial Service for Princess Diana in three weeks.
By Gigi on August 15th, 2007 at 2:39 pm
that’s what I thought….not to mention some of the press were stating an August 12th date was the original time for their “romantic vacation”
By Chloe on August 15th, 2007 at 3:38 pm
This is getting confusing.
Is Prince William at Balmoral without Kate or is the Prince also not at Balmoral? John, do you know?
By Gigi on August 15th, 2007 at 3:54 pm
Kate won’t be at the memorial service, nor will Chelsy.
By John on August 15th, 2007 at 4:21 pm
They’re keeping this holiday under wraps, Gigi. I haven’t seen any mention of it, which means it’s either been cancelled or they want no publicity whatsoever. Take your pick.
By John on August 15th, 2007 at 4:23 pm
Gigi, Ive heard that nor Kate nor Chelsy wont be present at the Memorial Service. Otherwise the Palace should have invited the 2 girls. Since they want to get rid of Kate, it would be mean to invite Chelsy only. Some people would think it would be like a banishment or something.
By Lilyfromfrance on August 15th, 2007 at 4:24 pm
“They’re keeping this holiday under wraps” by John.
I think they are taking William in hostage, John,
They are so afraid that he could put a foot wrong that they make sure he is invisible. Well it’s almost the end of summer in 2 weeks and still no pic of Wills pinching in some blue water or partying somewhere? Weird. No picture of him since months, except at the concert. He is not going on holidays just days before the Memorial Service. No one could say he acted like an idiot, wait and you will see.
By Lilyfromfrance on August 15th, 2007 at 4:39 pm
I thought both Kate and Chelsy WERE invited to the Memorial Service. What happened? Did I misunderstand or have the plans changed?
By Gigi on August 15th, 2007 at 4:43 pm
The truth is no one really knows Kate but her friends and family. So I can see why people are making up stories about her because they don’t know who she is. We have never heard her speak in public nor has she given a interview. I really think it’s unfair to her that people write these nasty comments about her. As William explained in the interview leading up to the concert that “you will never know a person until you meet them face to face.” So when people see Kate go out to a club, they wouldn’t think that she likes to hang out with her friends, they would say that “shes a party girl” or when they see Kate go off to work and look very pretty with make-up on, they wouldn’t think because shes the companion of a prince that she has to look good at all times. People think she likes to be in the limelight. I think as time rolls on and we see more of her and when she out with William, people views of her will change. She actually was invited to go to the memorial service with Chelsy but the palace knows that the attention will focus on them too much. That is Diana’s day, so Kate and Chelsy will be background supporters for William & Harry.
By Claudius on August 15th, 2007 at 4:53 pm
Thank you, Claudius, for that helpful and insightful explanation! You are right that no one actually knows Kate but her nearest and dearest. I agree with you that these wholesale criticisms of her are unfair and meanspirited. You make a very good point about the focus of attention if Chelsy and Kate attend the Memorial Service for Princess Diana. I feel better.
By Gigi on August 15th, 2007 at 4:56 pm
The people who are payed for giving advices to the royals are not so stupid, Claudius. They are not going to invite these 2 and suddenly changing their minds just 3 weeks before because “It’s Diana’s day”. The attention will focus on them… No kidding.
By Lilyfromfrance on August 15th, 2007 at 5:00 pm
Actually, sweet Lily, I have thought for many years that the people paid to give advice to the Royal Family are very stupid. There is simply no other explanation for the idiotic gaffs, simpleminded snafus and dumb decisions that are made in the Palace. It is as if these ‘minders’ and advisors are mired in quicksand–they just sink lower and lower, in my estimation if nothing else.
By Gigi on August 15th, 2007 at 5:29 pm
Well you are right Gigi, and I think the most stupid and as* licker are Charles’ advisors, who tends to act as if he was a politician. But everything is so planned that I doubt they have changed their minds about inviting the girls at the Memorial suddenly.
By Lilyfromfrance on August 15th, 2007 at 5:35 pm
Why would Chelsy and Kate not be invited to the memorial service? The answer is simple and it has nothing to do with it being Diana’s day!!! As lily put it those AS* licker advisors of Charles want full attention on C&C and their mournful faces let us not forget instead of being a divorced POW he wants people to think he is a WIDOWER. What fools they all are.
By Trudie on August 15th, 2007 at 9:46 pm
Well John I do agree with you on that. Everything with the K&W romance could change in a second,and things could be on again,if William gets lonely or whatever, but I think they’ve had so many Ups and Dowwnns and breakups, that the relationship is not a stable one or a good one really. I think the press won’t believe it’s over until William is spotted at one of the Country Estates on long camera lens, with another date, riding horseback or walking together. Kate does not look happy lately in photos, maybe it’s her negative press and her reported mixed feelings with the House of Windsor, namely William, that makes her look rather tired and drawn. I don’t think the relationship is on, I really think it’s “limping” to a soon complete end. In Feburary Kate will be 4 years away from 30, she will have spent almost all of her twenties with William “on and off”, if it does not end in marriage for her with William, I hope she will find true love for herself.
By mandy on August 15th, 2007 at 10:08 pm
I have to agree Mandy, I truly hope she can find true love apart from William if this does not work out. It will be sad for both of them because she has proven to be very trustworthy with William. Otherwise, she’d have sold her ‘romance story’ for millions by now. Everything William ever told her would be press fodder. You have to give her a lot of credit for her ability to keep mum about the things they’ve discussed. It seems she doesn’t tell her friends much either because as far as I know I’ve never seen a story where “Kate told me such and such about William”. You know how people talk.
It will be interesting to see how C&C are at the memorial service. I’m sure Camzilla will have a hard time keeping that smirk off her face. Ugh - I do not like that woman at all…
By On The Outside on August 15th, 2007 at 10:35 pm
For my part, Mandy, I dont think it’s “namely William”. I think the negative feelings come from Charles, the Queen and Philip. I really think that if there was any hope of marriage, it was between December 2006 and February 2007. Kate was given police protection, William was with her all the time, CH asked to leave her alone and Wills wanted “more than anything” to “stop the harassment”. And suddenly, nothing. I think that there were some influential people, or something, that tried to dissuade him. And then I think he truly needed space, hence the split. Kate has bad press since 1 month now, and the boat race was a complete fiasco, there was also a harassment too, and very dangerous because she was on a boat, and no one stand up for her.
Ofcourse she may be tired, but where is the little smile that she used to put on her face when she was photographed outside her home? If their relationship is not so finished then why William didnt spend the summer with her, as they did last year? I agree that it is said that they hide the fact that it’s not completely off, but he has just disappeared and Kate is still all alone in London. I agree with you, Mandy, that if things are on again, it will be because he would feel lonely, as he seems to use Kate as a stopgap.
By Lilyfromfrance on August 15th, 2007 at 10:43 pm
On The Outside, your comment makes me realise how I was silly!
The one and only reason for why Ive always wanted them to get married is because she keeps her mouth closed. But it’s silly. Wills had several girlfriends before Kate and they never talked either. Keeping your mouth closed is just not enough. I dont know why I tried to convince myself that it was so virtious and wonderful to not tell.
By Lilyfromfrance on August 15th, 2007 at 10:52 pm
I think William told the Queen and Pr. Philip, during the first break up, he did’n't love Kate enough for marriage, so it ended. William gave the Queen and Pr. Phillip his reason…He didn’t love Kate enough ,…for marriage. I believe him. It’s a hard thing for a girl who has been dating a guy for a few years to hear, maybe that is why Kate seems to go back when he calls,but it sounds a bit sad really at this point, but they shouldn’t get married if he feels, he doesn’t love her enough. Look at Peter Phillips he was sure and he became engaged to Autumn, I really don’t think the press matters in the end, if William wanted to get engaged to Kate he would have.
By mandy on August 16th, 2007 at 4:58 am
I have a feeling that an engagement will be announced next year. Gods will. People have been saying that Kate remind everybody of Diana, that’s not true at all, but she does remind you of Crown Princess Mary of Denmark. They resemble each other. William knows what he is doing and maybe the relationship was rocky at first but this time around things will get much better.
By Claudius on August 16th, 2007 at 5:48 am
I agree Mandy, but I also think that this sentence I dont love Kate enough is not the main reason for why the Palace sends so negative feelings. Well, try to imagine that you’re the Queen (this includes that you never brush your teeth, your hair is not dishevelled in the morning, and most importantly, you never go at the w-c, sorry, the lavatory
), and then you have to consider Kate as a potential next queen. Most of people just see the photos published in the newspapers, but there plenty of others. Go on Youtube first, it’s the easiest solution to see them. So you’re the Queen and you see the potential next Queen laughing in cabs at 3am thousands of times, you see some photos where you can see her underwears, where she is seen holding her hand to some other men, where she is seen at the cashpoint at 3am (nothing horrible here, but for a future Queen…), you see some photos where she is obviously drunk but tries to hide it, and etc, and let’s be honest, Kate sounds lazy. So if I was the Queen, my response would be a big no. I couldnt stand to know that the potential mother of a future king has shown her underwears because of her mini skirts. Kate sounds like a nice girl, reliable and etc, but it’s just not enough for being a consort. As Claudius said, he/she feels an engagement to come, then even if it comes, I would not support Kate, it’s sounds like cold shoulder but I dont want to believe that she is good for the job anymore. She may be good for Wills because she is there whenever he wants, but if she was a princess and then a queen, there is no way that I would like to respect her because of what I know of her. They wasted her, and she helped them at wasting herself by her way of life, it’s sounds like if it’s too late. He should have married her before or let her go. Both Ch and B. Palace seem to want a new start, hence why Harry urged his spokesmen to say that Chelsy will go to Leeds next year (actually she is a student at Bristol this year but never went to it), and some of the words that he is employing such as “protective” and etc sound like if he was standing for her against something. Was Chelsy aware that she will have to go to Leeds just 2 days before the announcement? I even dont think so 
By Lilyfromfrance on August 16th, 2007 at 8:47 am
Lily, Chelsy would have to go through the lengthy application procedures to get into a politics post-grad course at Leeds. Harry couldn’t just force her to go there. He wouldn’t know much about post-grad degrees anyway.
There’s been doubt about Bristol for quite a while now, so she probably decided against it — it’s known as a politically “correct” place, so she may not have fitted in. Leeds has a big social life, or so it claims. But it may be a bit cold for a South African student who hates the British winter.
By John on August 16th, 2007 at 9:08 am
John, I know, because Ive experienced it for 4 years, that a procedure for an inscription at Uni is not long nor complicated. You fill a dossier, you send it, you wait. And once you’ve paid the costs of the studies then you are given your student card with your photo on it. If Chelsy was really listed at Bristol then she just has to do something called a transfert which is not long nor complicated as well. Just fill some papers and thats all.
I dont know why suddenly Harry wants to make this kind of announcement. It’s more Chelsy’s style. Since he thinks that his girl is not the “public’s property yet”, so why tell everybody where she will spend the next year? Im sure it’s linked to the negative events to come about Kate. There is an occasion to prove that she would be not the so called scatterbrined blonde that she is, so when people will make the stupid comparisions between these 2, they could not say that Chelsy does nothing, even if she likes to party.
By Lilyfromfrance on August 16th, 2007 at 9:33 am
Do I foresee Kate and William marrying… No. I think this relationship has reached it’s ultimate conclusion. Why? When they were openly a couple, Kate was extraordinarily careful with her image, dressing conservatively with hemlines which fell strictly to the knee and publicly at least, when not pictured with William, she favoured her Mothers company. Fast forward to the past few months and her dress sense is more provocative, her company more varied and her choice of venue less salubrious, namely the sex toy party. She seems to be behaving more like a 25 year old who is living outside the restrictions of dating a Royal. Maybe she is rebelling against the very institution that either restricted her or rejected her. In any case she seems most avaricious in her quest to capture the limelight. She is possibly more adept at playing the media game than most give her credit for. I think this is becoming more apparent and it may be for this reason that the general perception of Kate is shifting with the press becoming more negative, perhaps more realistic, in their portrayal of her. The media created and perpetuated an idealised image of Kate and her recent shenanigans do not sit well alongside this image. I cannot see how the media could maintain this direction in light of her recent conduct. Maybe there is some weight to claims that Kate is loosing favour with the Palace. History is well documented and it would not do well to have pictures of the future Queen Consort tipsily parading out of clubs and into cabs whilst exposing her underwear in a barely there dress. Neither would the perception of a media savvy/hungry girlfriend. In reality such behaviour is harmless but given her potential status it is wholly inappropriate and potentially embarrassing to the monarchy. I’m sure the Queen and her aides exercise such foresight. Someone who possesses the more discreet nature of Autumn Kelly is more likely to gain the Queens approval and make it down the aisle with William.
By Bella on August 16th, 2007 at 2:54 pm
John, whatever happened to the “coal miners daughter” theory? I thought that piece was brilliant, wouldn’t it still make sense?
By Dodi on August 16th, 2007 at 3:52 pm
That’s always in the background, Dodi, but it would never be spoken by senior Royals, just the occasional hanger-on.
By John on August 16th, 2007 at 3:57 pm
…because we all know that Charles would NEVER say anything catty.
Out loud.
In front of people.
By Dodi on August 16th, 2007 at 4:12 pm
Can you imagine if William and Kate married tomorrow?
C&C would just be ignored thereafter. Even when they acceded the throne, people would push past them to get pictures of the wombat and babykins.
By kit on August 16th, 2007 at 5:38 pm
John,
You made a convert out of me with the coal miner’s daughter theory.
The Royals are quite open-minded about commoners marrying into the family - i.e. Sophie. However, it’s very different for the heir. Such a thing would totally mess up the bloodlines for future generations.
By Alicia on August 16th, 2007 at 7:31 pm
Alicia how could it mess up the bloodlines? although she was a Lady and a member of Aristocracy Diana was also considered a commoner. We are talking about people not horses!!! But then where in the world is William going to find a protestant Princess? since bloodlines theoretically matter? unless he marries Beatrice his cousin there are not any to be found.
By Trudie on August 16th, 2007 at 7:40 pm
If they are worried about aristocratic backgrounds, that ship sailed long ‘ere this. Owen Tudor fouled the nest centuries ago!
By Gigi on August 16th, 2007 at 7:48 pm
Old Whig families like the Spencers regard themselves as superior to the Royal house — always have. And there are plenty of well-bred girls around still. The problem is, they also tend to be spoilt and more than a bit promiscuous.
William probably thought he’d cracked it with Isabella Calthorpe but, like Mrs Worthington, she put herself on the stage and refused to have anything to do with a mere heir to the Throne.
By John on August 17th, 2007 at 7:34 am
Huh?
John, I thought the spencers *were* the royal house for the longest time.
By kit on August 17th, 2007 at 1:54 pm
They were sheep farmers who got their titles in Elizabethan times. There are lots of bloodlines. I believe the strongest is to the Stuart Dynasty. But there’s never been a House of Spencer. The nearest is that “secular” King, Winston Spencer Churchill.
By John on August 17th, 2007 at 2:34 pm
It has been announced from The Sun that William & Kate are on vacation at this time but we will have to wait awhile for the photo’s to appear. They are at Seychelles an exotic island.
By Claudius on August 17th, 2007 at 11:00 pm
Extr Extra have you not read…..Kate now has her own PASS
to Clarence House. Next will be the ring. Thank goodness we
can now move on about this couple.
By Judy on August 19th, 2007 at 6:06 pm
Trudie asked: “…where in the world is William going to find a protestant Princess?”
If William wants to marry a Protestant princess, then he should be looking to the Scandinavian countries. Lutherans are Protestants.
But I think it’s more important that William marry someone he’s well matched with, rather than worry about the bloodlines. Divorcing any wife would be more problematic for him than marrying a commoner, IMHO.
By Evelyn on August 20th, 2007 at 12:15 am
Princess Charlotte (daughter of Princess Caroline) would suit Prince William. They both (though not yet met) have the royalty, strength, grace and “couple”looks. However, Princess Charlotte would need to change her denomination to Protestant. That should not be an issue if they both love each other. Kate does not possess the royalty, grace and “couple” looks with Prince William. Kate is more to a “mistress” looks (oh dear, hope history does not repeat - another C & C).
By jessica Lewin on September 13th, 2007 at 1:26 pm